McCartney in the rear vision mirror

[Bulldog4life]

Re: McCartney in the rear vision mirror

This.

I wouldn't mind reading threads on here after our Round 1 win against Brisbane in 2013. We smashed Brisbane that day and played great attacking footy.

Will be interesting to see how Bevo reacts when things inevitability go pear-shaped at stages this season.



Agree with most sentiments regarding Macca and the importance of those development years, however, I believe in his final year he started coaching for respectable losses and went away from his original plan. I would assume to avoid big loses and try save his job.

Very good point Jaytee. Nearly forgot that win.

[Ozza]

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Whilst I respect that the original intent of this thread was to look at the positives/negatives and legacy from the McCartney era - much of the thread has led to comparisons between the styles of the two coaches - and how now we play great attacking footy.

The Brisbane round 1 game from 2013 is a really good game to highlight how things can change quickly.

I supported the previous coach 100%. But now he is not there, I'm 100% behind Bevo.

Having said all this - I am extremely cautious as far as getting over excited about us being (or looking like) a 'brand new side'.
Saturday night was super enjoyable. But my more-cautious side reminds me that;
1. We played a West Coast side ABSOLUTELY RIPE for the picking. They will be an ordinary side this year.
2. We still got opened up like a can of sardines through the middle of the ground, especially on the rebound - although it seemed to be addressed after half time.
3. We still managed to give up the first couple of goals of each quarter (aside from the last), very early.

So I guess my point is, that things are never as bad, or good - as they may seem. Judgement of both McCartney's coaching, and the infancy of Bevo's coaching - can afford to be a fair bit more measured at this stage....and we should probably wait and see how we go against Richmond, Hawthorn, Adelaide and Sydney in the next 4 weeks (good sides) to see where we are at.

[westdog54]

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That is all we have to go by..... history.

We also have the context in which the events occurred. That is as important and relevant as the events themselves.

10, 20 30 years down the track, who would remember that

This is where we need to be a part of writing our history. We need to make sure that what McCartney brought to the club isn't simply cast away.

[Sedat]

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Macca had the courage to go to the draft every year, knowing it could make or break him. He never altered from this and that will be his legacy.

Not quite so sure about that. Under his watch, we went hard after Chris Dawes (Hrovat pick), Matthew Bate (Talia pick) and Tom Lonergan (500k a season for 4 years for a 30yo ultra-defensive KD). I would safely say that 90% of posters would be very happy that none of these trades eventuated.

His strong push for a stand-alone VFL team will be his most significant legacy at the club. The demands of senior coaching and man management proved to be well beyond his capabilities - nothing wrong with that, there have been countless failed coaches who had strong resumes.

[MrMahatma]

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Was always a Macca fan. I lapped up all his rhetoric about recruiting fine young men, about needing to build the game from the inside out, about how the culture of the club needed changing and about how we were on the path to success.

Then last week I was having dinner and the waitress turned out to be the former girlfriend of a currently listed player. She said the even she had thought the same. A teacher. A nice guy. He always spoke so well. Her boyfriend, however, told her of how he used to make some of the younger players cry by focussing on just one small error and belittling them in front of the whole team.

I'm no psychologist, but he sounds like a classic bully. To the outside world, butter won't melt in their mouth, but when they have the opportunity to exert some power and hurt people... away they go.

Maybe extreme, but if it's even close to how he was described, we've dodged a big bullet as much better players than those we lost would've been walking soon. Makes me wonder why we kept him so long.

Good riddance I say.

[Bornadog]

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Was always a Macca fan. I lapped up all his rhetoric about recruiting fine young men, about needing to build the game from the inside out, about how the culture of the club needed changing and about how we were on the path to success.

Then last week I was having dinner and the waitress turned out to be the former girlfriend of a currently listed player. She said the even she had thought the same. A teacher. A nice guy. He always spoke so well. Her boyfriend, however, told her of how he used to make some of the younger players cry by focussing on just one small error and belittling them in front of the whole team.

I'm no psychologist, but he sounds like a classic bully. To the outside world, butter won't melt in their mouth, but when they have the opportunity to exert some power and hurt people... away they go.

Maybe extreme, but if it's even close to how he was described, we've dodged a big bullet as much better players than those we lost would've been walking soon. Makes me wonder why we kept him so long.

Good riddance I say.

This is what I heard as well, especially about the young players, although some supporters thought it was just the senior players who didn't want to buy into his mantra. Why in the hell it took three years to find all this out, god only knows.

[Remi Moses]

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Not having a crack, but there are some Chinese whispers happening, or what?
I'd hazard to guess it wouldn't be just one issue McCartney would have with a player.

[boydogs]

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1. We played a West Coast side ABSOLUTELY RIPE for the picking

I'm not so sure, they were undermanned for KPD's but we didn't exploit that. A lot of independent judges have commented on the quality of the game, the pressure from both sides was finals like

[jeemak]

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Crying footballers? He must have been a real meanie.

I can't believe all of this was happening under the noses of Gordon and Grant the whole time, and all they wanted to do was either extend his contract or stick with him as the senior coach, only until the captain side-swiped them with an about face on leaving the club!

Talk about negligence.

[Ozza]

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I'm not so sure, they were undermanned for KPD's but we didn't exploit that. A lot of independent judges have commented on the quality of the game, the pressure from both sides was finals like

The pressure was great (as you'd expect in round 1) and no doubt the game itself was highly entertaining. Just my opinion that West Coast will struggle and will really feel the loss of Dean Cox this year, and don't have the depth required in any of their lines, to be a good side.

Priddis and Naitanui are obviously high quality. But they don't really have an elite on ball player behind those two at this stage. Scott Selwood really hasn't taken the next step. In fact he's gone from a prolific ball winner, to becoming more defensively minded.
Shuey looked like he could have been anything - about 18 months ago, but in my estimations he is at best, stalled, in development.
Gaff and Masten are nice players - but B graders.

Like us, they are for the most part a young developing side.

[Mofra]

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Like us, they are for the most part a young developing side.

They have nowhere near our young talent, and half their supporters want Priddis dropped.
Their inability to develop midfielders is alarming - check out their comments on BF. They are genuinely losing hope at a rapid pace.

[LostDoggy]

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Was always a Macca fan. I lapped up all his rhetoric about recruiting fine young men, about needing to build the game from the inside out, about how the culture of the club needed changing and about how we were on the path to success.

Then last week I was having dinner and the waitress turned out to be the former girlfriend of a currently listed player. She said the even she had thought the same. A teacher. A nice guy. He always spoke so well. Her boyfriend, however, told her of how he used to make some of the younger players cry by focussing on just one small error and belittling them in front of the whole team.

I'm no psychologist, but he sounds like a classic bully. To the outside world, butter won't melt in their mouth, but when they have the opportunity to exert some power and hurt people... away they go.

Maybe extreme, but if it's even close to how he was described, we've dodged a big bullet as much better players than those we lost would've been walking soon. Makes me wonder why we kept him so long.

Good riddance I say.

Would he last so long at the Cats if he was a bad egg?

Maybe there is a reason she is a former.

[Bornadog]

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Would he last so long at the Cats if he was a bad egg?

Maybe there is a reason she is a former.

An assistants role is way different to the senior coach.

[LostDoggy]

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Was always a Macca fan. I lapped up all his rhetoric about recruiting fine young men, about needing to build the game from the inside out, about how the culture of the club needed changing and about how we were on the path to success.

Then last week I was having dinner and the waitress turned out to be the former girlfriend of a currently listed player. She said the even she had thought the same. A teacher. A nice guy. He always spoke so well. Her boyfriend, however, told her of how he used to make some of the younger players cry by focussing on just one small error and belittling them in front of the whole team.

I'm no psychologist, but he sounds like a classic bully. To the outside world, butter won't melt in their mouth, but when they have the opportunity to exert some power and hurt people... away they go.

Maybe extreme, but if it's even close to how he was described, we've dodged a big bullet as much better players than those we lost would've been walking soon. Makes me wonder why we kept him so long.

Good riddance I say.

My mother told me about something similar, but to be honest, my mum — love her though I certainly do — has a flair for the melodramatic. I didn't believe her. She loved Crossy and I figured it was bitterness.

Then I heard whisperings about Talia being unhappy. Still I didn't buy it. Maybe these guys were just soft and couldn't be told a hard truth.

I think it's probably about time I took another look at my opinion of Macca. After all, what's the good of participating in a forum if I'm not prepared to change my opinion when new information presents itself, or is confirmed? It would be silly, right?

[Maddog37]

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Not sure if I had shared it on here previously but I heard a similar story from a father of one of his students regarding publicly ridiculing him.