Please Don't Wear Red

[Bornadog]

Re: Please Don't Wear Red

As long as we win games, I really am not that emotionally tied to any clash jumper.

[Greystache]

Re: Please Don't Wear Red

Don't....like....the hoops?? So do you root for the robodog? What's your preference?

I hit send accidently, I added I prefer Robodog.

The hoops are average. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's good.

[Bornadog]

Re: Please Don't Wear Red

I hit send accidently, I added I prefer Robodog.

The hoops are average. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's good.

I don't think because the hoops are old we think it is good. It (in my opinion), looks good and better than any other jumper we have had over the years.

[SonofScray]

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I don't think the hoops exist purely as a reaction to wanting the "good old days" its just a better design and a better jumper in every facet. That it has emotional ties to what we perceive as the 54 jumper is a bonus and solid marketing.

This regression back to sublimated, 90s cartoon nonsense is terrible decision making from a design perspective, IMO from branding perspective and a deviation from the highly celebrated and respected consultative work the Club had done on this front in recent history.

I'm like BAD, if we are winning I'll probably give it less air time, but I do value our inout into this arena a great deal and feel that if we have to have clash jumpers etc that it should be done right. I probably have a more extreme view on what elements of football and our interaction with it as fans need to be protected, we've already given up a lot based on the commercialisation of the game. I'd like to think that there are some elements of the Club and our public presentation not up for sale.

[Ghost Dog]

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I hit send accidently, I added I prefer Robodog.

The hoops are average. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's good.

i don't like it because it's old. Most fans were not born then or around anyway, so it would not be so popular if it wasn't good looking to most people. Melbourne have tried to do the time warp with theirs and it's a disaster. Looks like a private school badge which about sums them up.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Please Don't Wear Red

I don't think the hoops exist purely as a reaction to wanting the "good old days" its just a better design and a better jumper in every facet. That it has emotional ties to what we perceive as the 54 jumper is a bonus and solid marketing.

This regression back to sublimated, 90s cartoon nonsense is terrible decision making from a design perspective, IMO from branding perspective and a deviation from the highly celebrated and respected consultative work the Club had done on this front in recent history.

I'm like BAD, if we are winning I'll probably give it less air time, but I do value our inout into this arena a great deal and feel that if we have to have clash jumpers etc that it should be done right. I probably have a more extreme view on what elements of football and our interaction with it as fans need to be protected, we've already given up a lot based on the commercialisation of the game. I'd like to think that there are some elements of the Club and our public presentation not up for sale.

If it increases participation with junior members would you see it as a membership tool?

[Cyberdoggie]

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I hit send accidently, I added I prefer Robodog.

The hoops are average. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's good.

Can't agree with you on that one i'm afraid, Love the hoops (with blue), it's simple and looks fantastic.

[SonofScray]

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If it increases participation with junior members would you see it as a membership tool?

You are drawing a very long bow IMO. Is there any actual data that suggests this is the case, that playing in cartoon, garish jumpers correlates with increased participation from juniors? I am very sceptical of this approach. Lets say it did though, the answer is no, I would expect we find different avenues. We could increase participation and have kids design the jumper from scratch, but it'd be like the episode of the Simpsons where Homer designs the car.

I am not anti that jumper existing, I am anti its use as a clash jersey in season. Kids see something like this and want it regardless, if it exists and they see it, they'll want it. Which is great for sales, they can see it in media from training, in preseason games, warm ups, interviews etc. Just not in games for premiership points.

[Ghost Dog]

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You are drawing a very long bow IMO. Is there any actual data that suggests this is the case, that playing in cartoon, garish jumpers correlates with increased participation from juniors? I am very sceptical of this approach. Lets say it did though, the answer is no, I would expect we find different avenues. We could increase participation and have kids design the jumper from scratch, but it'd be like the episode of the Simpsons where Homer designs the car.

I am not anti that jumper existing, I am anti its use as a clash jersey in season. Kids see something like this and want it regardless, if it exists and they see it, they'll want it. Which is great for sales, they can see it in media from training, in preseason games, warm ups, interviews etc. Just not in games for premiership points.

I did say if. But at the footy, always notice opposition kids go for the cute stuff. It's a hypothetical question.

[Ozza]

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I was happy to hear we had ditched the red.

I was then disappointed with the new design.

Our white clash strip was perfect in my view.

[Greystache]

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Can't agree with you on that one i'm afraid, Love the hoops (with blue), it's simple and looks fantastic.

And that's fine, each to their own. My point was to suggest everyone that isn't a mindless sheep hates the new design and loves the old hoops is simplistic in the extreme. To me the hoops are bland and meek which is unfortunately representative of the history it throws back to.

[Happy Days]

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And that's fine, each to their own. My point was to suggest everyone that isn't a mindless sheep hates the new design and loves the old hoops is simplistic in the extreme. To me the hoops are bland and meek which is unfortunately representative of the history it throws back to.

What's your first choice?

I'd personally have the mid-80's single band with the lighter blue and the red shorts. I'd even go all out with a powder blue alternate - the Chargers and the (Sacramento) Kings have the best alternate kits in the US and it's no coincidence why.

[Greystache]

Re: Please Don't Wear Red

I don't think the hoops exist purely as a reaction to wanting the "good old days" its just a better design and a better jumper in every facet. That it has emotional ties to what we perceive as the 54 jumper is a bonus and solid marketing.

This regression back to sublimated, 90s cartoon nonsense is terrible decision making from a design perspective, IMO from branding perspective and a deviation from the highly celebrated and respected consultative work the Club had done on this front in recent history.

I'm like BAD, if we are winning I'll probably give it less air time, but I do value our inout into this arena a great deal and feel that if we have to have clash jumpers etc that it should be done right. I probably have a more extreme view on what elements of football and our interaction with it as fans need to be protected, we've already given up a lot based on the commercialisation of the game. I'd like to think that there are some elements of the Club and our public presentation not up for sale.

I don't agree with most of that, but I'll take issue in particular that wearing a jumper that we wore 60odd years ago when we won our solitary premiership is a marketing bonus is a longer bow to draw than to question whether the new design will appeal to younger supporters.

Do you really think a 10 year old will have great grandad telling him that's the jumper we won a premiership in when I was a child and that will hold some emotional attachment? The kid will just as likely say "we haven't won a flag in 100 years? I don't even want to barrack for them. I don't want that jumper, I want the new one".

The club needs to focus on creating new history rather than trying to put some glossy spin on what is quite honestly a tragic history. The future for the club is attracting new members through excitement and success, not through trying to tie them to some ancient history.

[Greystache]

Re: Please Don't Wear Red

What's your first choice?

I'd personally have the mid-80's single band with the lighter blue and the red shorts. I'd even go all out with a powder blue alternate - the Chargers and the (Sacramento) Kings have the best alternate kits in the US and it's no coincidence why.

I said above. I preferred the Robodog.

[SonofScray]

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Do you really think a 10 year old will have great grandad telling him that's the jumper we won a premiership in when I was a child and that will hold some emotional attachment? The kid will just as likely say "we haven't won a flag in 100 years? I don't even want to barrack for them. I don't want that jumper, I want the new one".

Perhaps a 10 year old kid might not, but they weren't the ones who voted the hooped jumper back in and ditched the robot dog. I don't know too many 10 year old Bulldog supporters with $130 in their pocket walking into the Bulldog shop and making those purchases. I bought a new jumper when they released it, and have bought my daughter the hooped jumper. My wife got one too. I bought it because I appreciated the Club giving us some agency over what we wore and that we had an opportunity to wear a jumper that spoke more closely to the perceived identity of the Club. After living through one existential crises after another and constantly being told that the very name, culture and location of the Club was the reason for our woe, rather than the W/L column I took great heart in it. My wallet responded accordingly.

The garish cartoon and one off jumpers etc are a cheap cash grab, I'm tired of them. They can exist and sell them, but I don't want to see our Club represented wearing them in season.

I understand the desire to have a winning story to tell and that it lies somewhere in the future for us, not in however many years our drought has extended to now, but the fact is that history exists and changing the name, the jumper, where we play etc doesn't make it go away.