Michael Talia

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Re: Michael Talia

Michael Warner's article in today's Hun hits the mark quite well. He neatly lays the obvious on the table for all to see. Cheney comes out looking like a spud at best and the reader is left asking the obvious question as to why the sms messages of the Talias weren't checked. Neatly infers cover up and "brand protection."

Nice job Michael Warner.

I'm one of the few people around who actually quite like Caroline Wilson. Just for the fact that she's not just another sycophant and is prepared to call the AFL out. She's let herself down badly in this one. It's a pity.

[Bornadog]

Re: Michael Talia

I cannot believe they have the power to look at both players texts messages and possibly clear the whole matter up and choose not to.

Even if they don't have the power, surely if the Talia brothers think they did nothing wrong, they would give the AFL the power to check with the Telco.

[Twodogs]

Re: Michael Talia

This whole saga is getting beyond belief, when are the AFL going to learn to stop treating supporters like imbeciles and start telling the truth ?
I cannot believe they have the power to look at both players texts messages and possibly clear the whole matter up and choose not to.

it depends on whether they want the truth to come out or they are happy hiding behind the murky set of "facts" because it suits their purposes. If they are happy to let this fester and watch their brand get more and more trashed then the obvious question is how bad is the real story?

If I were innocent then I would be doing everything possible to get those messages into the public domain in order to clear my name. I wouldn't be relying on the AFL to clear my name. They have already thrown Cheney under the bus. I'd be getting clear of the bus.

[F'scary]

Re: Michael Talia

Michael Warner's article in today's Hun hits the mark quite well. He neatly lays the obvious on the table for all to see. Cheney comes out looking like a spud at best and the reader is left asking the obvious question as to why the sms messages of the Talias weren't checked. Neatly infers cover up and "brand protection."

Nice job Michael Warner.

I'm one of the few people around who actually quite like Caroline Wilson. Just for the fact that she's not just another sycophant and is prepared to call the AFL out. She's let herself down badly in this one. It's a pity.

I have time for Wilson's articles. I am wondering if she has taken the perspective the devil's advocate. If the official findings are true, then the conclusion must be that we are the villains. Her article has probably encouraged a closer look at the verdict and the evidence by others and steeled our resolve not to take the decision in silence.

[Twodogs]

Re: Michael Talia

I have time for Wilson's articles. I am wondering if she has taken the perspective the devil's advocate. If the official findings are true, then the conclusion must be that we are the villains. Her article has probably encouraged a closer look at the verdict and the evidence by others and steeled our resolve not to take the decision in silence.

Maybe she did. Or she could have read the tea leaves completely wrong in her rush to judgement.

I know which one I think it is.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

I'm hearing AFL is to be investigated over its handling of this affair by an arm of the government. Anyone heard anything?

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Michael Talia

I'm hearing AFL is to be investigated over its handling of this affair by an arm of the government. Anyone heard anything?

What arm? It's a confusing proposition as the AFL, NRL, NBL etc are all free to be as incompetent as they like. And they're all pretty good at being incompetent.

[Maddog37]

Re: Michael Talia

I'm hearing AFL is to be investigated over its handling of this affair by an arm of the government. Anyone heard anything?

The gambling folk.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

The Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation is launching it's own investigation and is mightily pissed at the AFL.

Oh happy day.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

The Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation is launching it's own investigation and is mightily pissed at the AFL.

Oh happy day.

Correction: Is considering launching it's own investigation. Plenty going on behind the scenes.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

Apparently Mick Warner has got an article coming out in the Herald Sun. My new favourite journo, is running hard on this with a couple of strong articles and was demoted at the Hun last year for getting into a fist fight with Robbo. Good credentials all round.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Michael Talia

The Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation is launching it's own investigation and is mightily pissed at the AFL.

Oh happy day.

They can look at the facts but not the AFL per se. But if they find anything however, then anyone from AFL House with their finger prints on the file will have their careers ended.

What they should be doing is starting a taskforce with VicPol and SAPol and investigating widely around the family and friends around the Talia's. This was one of the first comments I made when this surfaced. If odds changed, plunges had, moves in markets or associates got even $1 then it's a big issue. I don't want to tell them what to do...

Ask the AFL for the full investigation, including all witness statements and all exhibits.
Offer immunity or reduced sanctions to witnesses coming forward who may have committed my offences or been dishonest to date.
The AFL have confirmed texts were sent. Get warrants for the text and phone records from both Tahleeya's providers.
Also look for phone and email activity from them both within a week of them being aware WBFC were reporting it. (The real kicker)
Get all free moving odds from every book maker for the week of the elim final if not already in their possession.
Timeline all movement in odds and bets against all calls and texts.
Marry any changes in odds or investments over $100 against time lines of activity.
Get all the names of all betting accounts on Adealide after the first texts were sent.
Look for anything over $100 per account betting on Adelaide.
Witness statements in the meantime from Bevo, Stratton, Gibson and anyone else.
Investigate whether info was used on match day or if others we given the info in the club.
Track their Tahyleeas movements that week and phone/email records.
Ask for investigation file from AFL. Get same if already not in full possession.
Have a check up.
Get SA police to ask Cheney to volunteer for a chat, after his Miranda rights are read.
Systematically pull a part every name and betting account by names, known associates, addresses etc. for the Tahyleeya family, friends, neighbours, associates and then known gamblers, shady figures around footballers known drinking spots and then criminal figures and their associates etc. - looking for a connection between illegal betting activity.
Any irregularities, request warrants for phone records and interviews when required.
If Tahleeya's have a problem, interview them. Check evidence they gave to AFL against evidence given in interview.

Anything in that don't look right, then there's a big problem the AFL wilfully ignored. Then their investigators get brought into an investigation as to collusion or conspiracy to commit offences, or cover up betting crimes by the AFL...

At least then betting activity is then properly scrutinised. David King copped more heat from Victoria Police for a lot less.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

Brett Clothier will be pretty nervous I reckon.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

It appears the reason the VCLGR is getting involved (or has an excuse to) is because the AFL neglected to inform them of integrity issues at any point during a 63 day investigation.

Amatuer hour.

[Doc26]

Re: Michael Talia

Apparently Mick Warner has got an article coming out in the Herald Sun. My new favourite journo, is running hard on this with a couple of strong articles and was demoted at the Hun last year for getting into a fist fight with Robbo. Good credentials all round.

This is Michael Warner's article from the HS that you make reference to.

Talia brothers investigation: Gambling watchdog may launch fresh probe, wants answers from AFL

THE state’s gambling watchdog wants answers from the AFL over its handling of the Talia brothers investigation.

The Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation on Monday said it was considering launching its own probe into allegations parts of the Western Bulldogs game plan were leaked ahead of the club’s elimination final loss to Adelaide.

Bookmakers on Monday night said up to $5 million was wagered on the match, which the Crows won by just seven points.

The VCGLR said the AFL had failed in its statutory obligation to make it aware of the allegations levelled against Michael and Daniel Talia once the Bulldogs had formally sought an investigation.

As an approved Sports Controlling Body, the AFL is compelled to notify the gambling authority of potential integrity breaches.

The VCGLR has the power to revoke the AFL’s licence to collect lucrative contract fees from accredited betting agencies such as Crownbet and Tabcorp.

It has previously investigated the AFL over the Melbourne tanking scandal and last year’s NAB Rising Star leak.

“This (Talia) matter is currently under consideration by the VCGLR,” an authority spokesperson said on Monday.

“In accordance with section 4.5.32 of the Gambling Regulation Act 2003, a Sports Controlling Body is required to notify the VGGLR in writing if it becomes aware of a breach or suspected breach of its policies, rules, codes of conduct or other mechanisms designed to ensure the integrity of the relevant sports betting event, as soon as practicable and in any event within 14 days of the breach or suspected breach.

“A Sports Controlling Body must also notify the VCGLR in writing of the action taken to investigate any breach or suspected breach, and the result of any such investigation on its completion.

“To date, the VCGLR has not received any formal notification by the Australian Football League, with reference to its obligations as a Sports Controlling Body, under section 4.5.32 of the Act.

“The VCGLR is making further inquiries to determine if an investigation is required. As such it would be inappropriate to comment at this stage.”

An AFL spokesperson on Monday night said the league had “not received any communication from the VCGLR on this matter”.

The AFL last week cleared the Talia brothers of any wrongdoing after a 63-day probe into claims “game-sensitive” information was leaked before the September 12 final.

The league found Adelaide defender Kyle Cheney had triggered the investigation by telling an “inappropriate joke” to Hawthorn player Ben Stratton on the morning after the match.

Cheney was handed a formal warning by the AFL but the Bulldogs released a statement declaring the club remained “troubled by certain aspects of the investigation”.

An adverse finding against the Talias would have had implications for the AFL and its gambling partners.

The league also stands to be a major beneficiary of changes to Australia’s online gambling laws under consideration by the Turnbull Government that will allow punters to make unlimited “in-play’’ bets on their mobile devices.

Gambling revenues on sporting contests are expected to soar if the changes are approved.

About 75 per cent of all English Premier League betting is made “in-play’’, where live odds fluctuate wildly.