The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

[kruder]

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I guess we weren't that interested despite a couple of reports. It's a huge step by the player to head up there. I'd say he believes they are clearly the flag favourites for next season.

Lose Mumford and they are still in trouble while their defence is still gettable also. I'd suggest Lids will be a Whitfield replacement once he is suspended.

I'm very bullish on our group next year I just think their is huge upside wherever you look.

-The Bont didn't start running until late Jan

-Libba off the back of another preseason will be back to his elite ball winning best.

- A forward line of Crameri,Stringer, Dickson, Mclean, Picken and Boyd is elite.

-JJ aka norm will add All Australian to his list of accolades. He is an absolute jet that kid and he now believes. I was lucky enough to have a good chat to him during the year and he told me that this group absolutely believed they would win a premiership under Beverage.

- Marcus Adams after the first month of footy looked for mine to be one of the best young backs in the comp. Obviously there is chance he will go home at years end but not signing Deledio will enable us to target, sign and strengthen an area of need rather than just a last minute reach. Deledio was gettable from mid year how keen were we really?

Oh then there is Williams and Lynch, two I have really high hopes for.

The list of positives just go on and on for mine. I'd much prefer continue to grow organically like we have which will enable us to retain an exceptional group together while target absolute needs when they arise.

It would have been nice to get a little more for Hamling and Hrovat but in an even draft, having the best recruiter in the country will be handy indeed.

[bulldogtragic]

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Agree that the Rat is the better player but he wants out as does Stevens. Given the outgoings, I'm happy that Honeychurch is there as insurance next year in case we have a spate of midfield injuries. I'm jut assuming that there has been no interest in Honey at all this trade period.

There's apparently been a bit of interest in Honey.

[ledge]

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There's apparently been a bit of interest in Honey.

He is under contract and said he is staying if that's true he isn't going anywhere no matter who shows interest or what offers come about.

[bulldogtragic]

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He is under contract and said he is staying if that's true he isn't going anywhere no matter who shows interest or what offers come about.

Cloke has a contract. Gibbs has a contract. Deledio has a contract. Honey has a contract. Caddy has a contract. If players get a better offer, they go under contracts nowadays. So if there's interest which makes him ask for a trade, then he'd go. If we got a crazy offer, we'd ask him to consider a trade. But that's inconsequential to what I said, I said there's been other clubs interested in acquiring him. If he wants to stay and fight for a spot then good on him for backing himself in when others haven't. But as others have said, if he plays a handful of games next year he will have zero value. But for everyone's sake, let's hope he has a huge 2017.

[jeemak]

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I really don't understand the interest some of us have in not backing the organic growth our list building process has fostered these past three or four years.

We expect other clubs to pay overs for players who can't get a game with us through either injury, form, or a mixture of both (Stevens and Hrovat), just so we can feel we've bettered them at the trade table, whilst also expecting us to be active in securing players that are barely going to have a material impact on our output.

There's a genuine disconnect between what we, as supporters, expect to gain for players versus what anyone's willing to pay for them. I mean, after the seasons and playing history Stevens and Hrovat have had, would any of us want to have given something more than a third or fourth rounder of ours to secure either of them?

Even with the Hamling deal we all agree it would have been nice to secure something better than a mid 30's pick for his services, but when you're negotiating with one club only, that type of result is just the market being the market.

Aside from the Cloke deal, I challenge anyone to present me with a trade scenario that should have occurred these past ten days whilst considering what wouldn't compromise our current salary cap position with line of sight to players we need to retain post 2017, and the development of our playing group.

Just because everyone else is flapping their arms to keep their heads above water, it doesn't mean we can't just float to do the same.

[LostDoggy]

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Well said J.

[jeemak]

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One piece I didn't put in my post is that we need to immediately make overtures to players who are out of contract in 2018-2019 and front load their contracts alongside some renegotiated incentives to keep their cash flow up.

Macrae, Bont, Stringer and JJ are front of mind for me.

[ledge]

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I really don't understand the interest some of us have in not backing the organic growth our list building process has fostered these past three or four years.

We expect other clubs to pay overs for players who can't get a game with us through either injury, form, or a mixture of both (Stevens and Hrovat), just so we can feel we've bettered them at the trade table, whilst also expecting us to be active in securing players that are barely going to have a material impact on our output.

There's a genuine disconnect between what we, as supporters, expect to gain for players versus what anyone's willing to pay for them. I mean, after the seasons and playing history Stevens and Hrovat have had, would any of us want to have given something more than a third or fourth rounder of ours to secure either of them?

Even with the Hamling deal we all agree it would have been nice to secure something better than a mid 30's pick for his services, but when you're negotiating with one club only, that type of result is just the market being the market.

Aside from the Cloke deal, I challenge anyone to present me with a trade scenario that should have occurred these past ten days whilst considering what wouldn't compromise our current salary cap position with line of sight to players we need to retain post 2017, and the development of our playing group.

Just because everyone else is flapping their arms to keep their heads above water, it doesn't mean we can't just float to do the same.

Quite amazing isn't it , we win a flag with a very young group and people are going on about why aren't we trading and we should get better trades or pics. Personally I think we have a great list and I back them to get better.
Funny thing the other day I saw a post saying what we needed to fill the missing pieces of the puzzle .. Umm we just won the flag what pieces are we missing .,doesn't that mean we have no missing pieces we just won with the pieces we have !

[Bulldog Joe]

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Quite amazing isn't it , we win a flag with a very young group and people are going on about why aren't we trading and we should get better trades or pics. Personally I think we have a great list and I back them to get better.
Funny thing the other day I saw a post saying what we needed to fill the missing pieces of the puzzle .. Umm we just won the flag what pieces are we missing .,doesn't that mean we have no missing pieces we just won with the pieces we have !

While we can certainly improve and there are weak spots, particularly around some key talls.

What we have is players leaving, principally for playing opportunity and a distinct lack of anyone nominating us as their preferred destination.

If you look at the players moving clubs, they would need to be displacing someone from our premiership side. Any of those players would warrant a starting spot on their performance to date and only Hamling is departing. We also have talent waiting in the wings as evidenced by our VFL premiership. We have Murphy, Suckling, and Crameri who missed altogether. There is also Adams, Wallis and Redpath to come back when/if fit. It will be a difficult side to break into.

I am happy for us to keep doing what we are doing and replace through the draft, unless someone drops in our lap, such as Suckling/Cloke.

[LostDoggy]

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The Hamling deal is good.

If that Rat deal goes through ill spew, would have been way better off to keep him.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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The Hamling deal is good.

If that Rat deal goes through ill spew, would have been way better off to keep him.

Well. hope you've got a bucket at the ready.

[G-Mo77]

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The Hamling deal is good.

If that Rat deal goes through ill spew, would have been way better off to keep him.

The Hamling deal is not good. Probably the best we could have got when over a barrel but not a good return at all. I'll throw up when the Hrovat deal is announced and I've heard that Kobe may go to the Saints as a DFA. I'll wait and see what happens but if it all goes that way it's a big fail from JMac.

[comrade]

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I'm happy to not chase any trade targets - Cloke aside - but I would like to see some dealing today that moves us up the draft order. 1 late teen pick, a mid 30s and a bunch beyond 40 isn't giving the best recruiter in the land much to work with.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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I'll hold fire on the trade period til it's completed. But if this is it, then I'm not buying the 'we just won the flag, our list is young, we've still got natural improvement'. 17 other clubs have natural improvement too. If you're not leveraging premiership success to bring other quality players in to complement the natural improvement of your list, then you are going backwards.

[chef]

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I'm happy to not chase any trade targets - Cloke aside - but I would like to see some dealing today that moves us up the draft order. 1 late teen pick, a mid 30s and a bunch beyond 40 isn't giving the best recruiter in the land much to work with.

I think Dal has shown thats still enough to weave some magic.