Game Day Round 3 2016 - Western Bulldogs V Hawthorn

[1eyedog]

Re: Game Day Round 3 2016 - Western Bulldogs V Hawthorn

Anyone else think Bonti looks a tad slow this year?

I think he would benefit from losing 2-4 kgs.

He's never been quick but because of his loping gait looks slower than I think he actually is. I think the idea is to put more muscle on him. There's not a lot of him as it is.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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Watched the replay, might have been stiff. Breust I think it was was holding and keeping him from contesting the footy in the air. He took hs eyes off it for a moment and pulled Bob across, who then pulled up injured. Would have been a contentious free but Gunston got one that was less convincing which he scored from so I'd have taken it.

I just watched the replay and the camera absolutely missed it. It was right in front of me.
I was on level 3 on the opposite side to the camera. The ball was kicked long from Hawthiorn's HB to HF by Burgoyne and I turned my eyes to where it was heading. Breust had a two armed hold on Murphy and only had his attention on Bob who was desperately trying to twist out of it to punch the ball from Sicily and had time to do it. Why wasn't Bob moving towards the ball umpire? It was so obvious I knew it would be a free kick. The horror started when the kick wasn't paid and turned sinister when Bob hobbled. I was ready to jump over the balcony and kill Breust. In the cold light of the day after I don't blame Breust but he must be feeling bad knowing what he did.
I will never forget that image of Breust clamping on to Bob Murphy who was trying to twist away. We can no longer just say 'Bob' because he is history.

[Sedat]

Re: Game Day Round 3 2016 - Western Bulldogs V Hawthorn

Why not? Haven't we lauded each fresh bunch of players that come through? The Darcy's, Johnson's, West's. Smith's Grant's and the Cameron's and then into the 2000s with the Gilbee's, Cooney's, Lake's , Murphy's, Higgins'? What is it going to take to find a player or a team of players capable of consistently winning the most important matches and why does it keep happening? Is it resources? Recruiting? Culture?

Yes we have, and it's quite possible that this new group will go the same way as its predecessors - the loss to Adelaide and to Hawthorn both included some really poor game sense and structural/communication mishaps, as well as some poor skill errors in the last couple of minutes. So far we have a sample size of 3 games - 1 win and 2 losses is not enough to make a definitive statement one way or another.

It will be very interesting to see how this group handles such a scenario when it next happens. It's not about skill or ability or desire - we smashed both Adelaide and Hawthorn into next week inside and at the clearances - it is about composure, poise, game sense, ruthlessness. Teams aren't going to gift-wrap the 4 points or a big final to us just because we are good to watch. Hawthorn dodged a bullet yesterday and they know it, as did Adelaide in the EF last year. We know it, the players know it and the coaching staff know it too.

[Flamethrower]

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Really hope Murph will be ok.

Bob will be fine in time. He'll get the best surgeons to repair his knee, do his rehab and come back next year for a farewell tour, play his 300th and captain us to back to back premierships.

Still ropeable that the cheat Bruest got away with holding Bob out of the last contest which contributed to Bob's injury. Both of Bob's knees were caused by filthy or cheating play. That Rocca tackle at the G still makes me mad.

Really proud of the boys yesterday - with the way we started it could have turned into a really ugly afternoon, but it may very well be the day we came of age as a genuine premiership contender. The things that went wrong are obvious and fixable. Reckon the Hawks will have a scout at most of our games & training sessions for the rest of the season now.

[Sedat]

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Still ropeable that the cheat Bruest got away with holding Bob out of the last contest which contributed to Bob's injury.

I must have missed something here - Breust did exactly what you want your numerical advantage player to do, and that is subtly shepherd your opponent so the free teammate can mark unopposed. It was just dumb luck for Bob - perhaps if he had some teammates covering defensively like they should have he would not have been caught in a 1 v 2 situation.

[LostDoggy]

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Last years close games, Ive arbitrarily chosen 3 goals (we beat Richmond by 19) if we go to 2 goals drop off one win and one loss.

Beat collingwood by 18
Beat West Coast by 10
Beat GC by 12
Beat Carlton by 9
Beat saints by 6
Beat Sydney by 4

Lost to saints by 7
Lost to freo by 13
lost to geelong by 8
lost to brisbane by 8
lost EF

[Bornadog]

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I must have missed something here - Breust did exactly what you want your numerical advantage player to do, and that is subtly shepherd your opponent so the free teammate can mark unopposed. It was just dumb luck for Bob - perhaps if he had some teammates covering defensively like they should have he would not have been caught in a 1 v 2 situation.

True, but it was a free kick if he sheparded, and held him away from the contest.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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I must have missed something here - Breust did exactly what you want your numerical advantage player to do, and that is subtly shepherd your opponent so the free teammate can mark unopposed. It was just dumb luck for Bob - perhaps if he had some teammates covering defensively like they should have he would not have been caught in a 1 v 2 situation.

So who cares about the rules as long as you can get away with breaking them and if you do so and end a great career well just bad luck for the victim? You must not have seen it. He didn't "subtly shepherd" he grabbed him with both his arms, strengthened in the gym like all professional footballers. It was a deliberate breaking of the rules and ended badly for Bob and our club.

[Sedat]

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Last years close games, Ive arbitrarily chosen 3 goals (we beat Richmond by 19) if we go to 2 goals drop off one win and one loss.

Beat collingwood by 18
Beat West Coast by 10
Beat GC by 12
Beat Carlton by 9
Beat saints by 6
Beat Sydney by 4

Lost to saints by 7
Lost to freo by 13
lost to geelong by 8
lost to brisbane by 8
lost EF

When it is less than a kick the difference with a couple of minutes left, we were 1-2 last year. And in my 40 years of watching Dogs games I reckon we'd be lucky to win 20% of games under the same situation (I'm being generous - I reckon it would be 10% at best). And in finals we are 1-7 in my lifetime. We stink at it, we've stunk at it for a long time, and hopefully we will stop stinking at it in the future.

[Sedat]

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So who cares about the rules as long as you can get away with breaking them and if you do so and end a great career well just bad luck for the victim? You must not have seen it. He didn't "subtly shepherd" he grabbed him with both his arms, strengthened in the gym like all professional footballers. It was a deliberate breaking of the rules and ended badly for Bob and our club.

If one of our players was penalised for what Breust did, I would have gone absolutely feral.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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If one of our players was penalised for what Breust did, I would have gone absolutely feral.

You didn't see it to be saying that or you are being disingenuous. Grabbing a player with both hands to keep him from the marking contest because you know you have a two on one and then a free kick is paid against you, that's too much for Sedat?

[Bornadog]

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I don't understand how that last quarter went for almost 36 minutes?

[Sedat]

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You didn't see it to be saying that or you are being disingenuous. Grabbing a player with both hands to keep him from the contest because you know you have a two on one and then a free kick is paid against you that's too much for Sedat.

Neither - for mine the contact was minimal enough and subtle enough to be ok, and Breust was smart enough to keep his eyes on the flight of the ball to make it look like he was going to contest the mark. If those were paid every time there would be 100 free kicks a game.

Happy for people to disagree with me.

[1eyedog]

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So who cares about the rules as long as you can get away with breaking them and if you do so and end a great career well just bad luck for the victim? You must not have seen it. He didn't "subtly shepherd" he grabbed him with both his arms, strengthened in the gym like all professional footballers. It was a deliberate breaking of the rules and ended badly for Bob and our club.

I didn't see how that could have been a free kick to Murphy. Bruest did well to affect the contest but from where I sat (level 1 middle of the ground outer side) and the footage I've seen of the contest between Bruest and Murphy looked ok and the injury innocuous. Bruest never looked to actually take hold of him for any length of time.

[Ozza]

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I didn't see how that could have been a free kick to Murphy. Bruest did well to affect the contest but from where I sat (level 1 middle of the ground outer side) and the footage I've seen of the contest between Bruest and Murphy looked ok and the injury innocuous. Bruest never looked to actually take hold of him for any length of time.

It was directly in my line of view (from level 2). I thought Breust grabbed Murphy's jumper early on (as in with the ball in the air still 20-30 metres away) and from there on in just got in Bob's way of the contest.

Under the strictest interpretation of the rules, if the umpire saw the whole exchange from where he was - it was certainly a free kick for holding, and then for shepherding.

Having said that, it was moving quickly, and its a tough call (particularly when the two players are running back and both entangled) - and one I'd be filthy on if it was called and the teams reversed.