Injury List - Preseason 2017

[chef]

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Drafted as a key forward, played as a key forward so I assume it's his two games in the finals that changed your view?

Hes only played 2 games as a ruck?

i must be watching a different player to you. To me he has the most impact as a player where he can roam around the ground (like he has done in many many games for us). Hes a ruck who can go forward to me, not a KPF.

[GVGjr]

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Hes only played 2 games as a ruck?

i must be watching a different player to you. To me he has the most impact as a player where he can roam around the ground (like he has done in many many games for us). Hes a ruck who can go forward to me, not a KPF.

Where did I say I challenged your view? I'm asking at what point you saw the transition from being drafted and played primarily as a key forward for you now to be casting as a ruckman first?

He missed a sizeable chunk of games last year so I'd like to get an idea when you formed such a view.

My view is that he will be able to play both roles and he will get a lot better as a forward with confidence of playing a lot of senior football.

[chef]

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Ive been saying he'll end up a ruck/forward as opposed to a KPF for a couple of years now. In all honesty i didnt see him play any under age football so my opinions formed on what ive seen him do since being dtafted.

He reminds me of Paul Salmon.

[Bornadog]

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Ive been saying he'll end up a ruck/forward as opposed to a KPF for a couple of years now. In all honesty i didnt see him play any under age football so my opinions formed on what ive seen him do since being dtafted.

He reminds me of Paul Salmon.

I agree with you Chef, he is a Ruck/Fwd, not a Fwd/ruck. Every interview of Tom that is exactly as he sees himself. He made the transition in 2016 and grew with every game he played.

[chef]

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I agree with you Chef, he is a Ruck/Fwd, not a Fwd/ruck. Every interview of Tom that is exactly as he sees himself. He made the transition in 2016 and grew with every game he played.

I get the impression Beverage sees it that way too.

[Bornadog]

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I get the impression Beverage sees it that way too.

Bevo's idea of course.

I have had to change my mind since Boyd came to us. I saw him as a pure fullforward, but with the need for a second ruck, he became the ideal player to transform into that role. With Cloke coming into the side, we have our Key Forward.

[GVGjr]

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I agree with you Chef, he is a Ruck/Fwd, not a Fwd/ruck. Every interview of Tom that is exactly as he sees himself. He made the transition in 2016 and grew with every game he played.

So where does that leave Roughead and Campbell if Boyd is the first choice ruck?

[Bornadog]

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So where does that leave Roughead and Campbell if Boyd is the first choice ruck?

I never said he is first choice, unless the two are both injured.

[GVGjr]

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I never said he is first choice, unless the two are both injured.

So he's a ruckman forward not the other way around but has to be played as a forward ruckman if Roughead or Campbell are available?

I'd say that makes him a forward ruckman

[Bornadog]

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So he's a ruckman forward not the other way around but has to be played as a forward ruckman if Roughead or Campbell are available?

I'd say that makes him a forward ruckman

So when Roughead goes forward and Boyd goes into the ruck, Roughead becomes a Forward/Ruck.

I think we are playing with words, either way you put it or I put it, he is still playing a role in the ruck and a role up forward. He is not a full time KPP.

[GVGjr]

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So when Roughead goes forward and Boyd goes into the ruck, Roughead becomes a Forward/Ruck.

I think we are playing with words, either way you put it or I put it, he is still playing a role in the ruck and a role up forward. He is not a full time KPP.

No, when fit Roughead is the first string ruckman and goes forward for a breather. I think the plan is to play him somewhere near 80% of the game in the ruck. If the plan is to play Boyd somewhere near 20% of the game in the ruck aren't we wasting his talent?

He can play both positions but I think if he can stay fit and spend even 70% TOG as a forward he will take some big steps on being regarded as a KPF rather than primarily a ruckman.

[jazzadogs]

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Why does he have to one or the other? I think circumstances (Roughead/Campbell not being good enough forwards) will dictate that he plays most of the season in the forward half.

However the two best matches of his career have both come with a higher proportion of ruck time. It's a small sample size, but I think that he looked consistently better and more involved throughout the season, when he played in the ruck.

Whether he's a forward ruck or a ruckman forward is pretty inconsequential. What matters is who else is in the team, and role that dictates for him.

[Mofra]

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No, when fit Roughead is the first string ruckman and goes forward for a breather. I think the plan is to play him somewhere near 80% of the game in the ruck. If the plan is to play Boyd somewhere near 20% of the game in the ruck aren't we wasting his talent?

I don't recall the split ever being that pronounced, more 60/40 or sometimes 70/30 Roughy/Boyd in the ruck.

Quality forward/rucks aren't that common at AFL level really, it seems to be the hardest position to fill so very happy to have Boyd in the role.

[Bornadog]

Re: Injury List - Preseason 2017

Tom Campbell (ankle): The ruckman had a mishap at training on Saturday, but the 25-year-old is likely to be available for round one.


Josh Prudden (ACL, TBC): The utility has been eased back into training and is looking at a return to playing early in the season.


Jack Redpath (ACL, TBC): The key forward is progressing well from a traditional knee reconstruction and is expected to make a mid-season return.


Jordan Roughead (hamstring): The premiership ruckman injured his hamstring early in the Dogs' opening JLT Community Series clash and is expected to be unavailable until at least round four of the home and away season.


Mitch Wallis (broken leg, TBC): The 24-year-old is confident of making an impact in 2017, but is yet to announce when he'll return to the field. Began running on an anti-gravity treadmill in recent weeks.

[Twodogs]

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Mitch Wallis has recently begun on that anti gravity running machine since December.