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  • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 8998

    #1

    If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

    At the start of the year i never considered it a possibility he was going to leave. As the year progresses i am less certain.

    Should it come to pass that other offers are too attractive for him to pass up, how do we progress so that we get a fair outcome? What is a fair outcome?

    He has a skill set that is hard to replace and one that should be highly valued to any suitors.

    What leverage do we have to ensure we don't end up over a barrel like we were with Hamling's trade?

    If push comes to shove and we are offered a poor deal by say a mid to high ladder finishing West Coast or even Freo, would be put pressure on all parties by threatening to let him go in the preseason draft?

    As a reigning Norm Smith medallist and in his footballing prime he surely must be worth a top ten pick at the very least.
    The problem is a top ten pick still doesn't compensate us for what we lose in terms of his importance to us on the field.
    Interested in how folks here would frame a deal.
  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #2
    Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

    I'm pretty confident he's staying, despite him having a manager who appears out of his depth.

    That said, I'd target a very good player in a straight swap (plus a pick if it's a good, but lesser player) on their list or target another good player elsewhere (ie Josh Kelly) and look for a three way trade.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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    • boydogs
      WOOF Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 5845

      #3
      Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

      First rounder and Duggan/Crozier
      If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

      Formerly gogriff

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      • soupman
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Nov 2007
        • 5159

        #4
        Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

        I'd be targeting Zac Jones in a three way trade.

        He is as quick as JJ, and breaks the lines in a similar fashion. Good kick, powerful build and tough, and unlike JJ plays more midfield which suits us as ours is a touch slow.

        I'd imagine from our pov it would effectively be JJ for Jones, I don't think there is enough of a difference in value to require draft picks.
        I should leave it alone but you're not right

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        • 1eyedog
          Hall of Fame
          • Mar 2008
          • 13387

          #5
          Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

          Jones is not as explosive I don't think. Both attacking but I think you'd need to weigh up JJ's goal kicking ability over Jones' hardness.
          But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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          • The Pie Man
            Coaching Staff
            • May 2008
            • 3505

            #6
            Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

            Keep hearing Essendon are the main suitor at this stage - how about Hooker and their 1st round draft pick?
            Float Along - Fill Your Lungs

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            • soupman
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Nov 2007
              • 5159

              #7
              Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

              Originally posted by 1eyedog
              Jones is not as explosive I don't think. Both attacking but I think you'd need to weigh up JJ's goal kicking ability over Jones' hardness.
              Jones is pretty explosive. I don't think he'd be much different to jjs pace. He has also kicked 5 goals this year. He isn't like for like but he would be a good get and would bring similiar things to the team.
              I should leave it alone but you're not right

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              • always right
                WOOF Member
                • Nov 2007
                • 4189

                #8
                Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

                Originally posted by The Pie Man
                Keep hearing Essendon are the main suitor at this stage - how about Hooker and their 1st round draft pick?
                Hooker is on $800k per year for five years. Are you happy for us to pick this up? I'm not.
                I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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                • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8998

                  #9
                  Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

                  Originally posted by The Pie Man
                  Keep hearing Essendon are the main suitor at this stage - how about Hooker and their 1st round draft pick?
                  Where are the Bombers getting all of this coin from? Aren't they about to sign Daniher to a $2m deal?...and we all have suspicions as to how much Hurley cost

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                  • Rocket Science
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 4870

                    #10
                    Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

                    Is 'kick the dog' an acceptable answer?

                    *apologies to dogs everywhere*

                    I don't even want to fathom this. He's one of us. Pay the lad. Sign the lad!
                    BORDERLINE FLYING

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                    • always right
                      WOOF Member
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 4189

                      #11
                      Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

                      Originally posted by soupaman
                      I'd be targeting Zac Jones in a three way trade.

                      He is as quick as JJ, and breaks the lines in a similar fashion. Good kick, powerful build and tough, and unlike JJ plays more midfield which suits us as ours is a touch slow.

                      I'd imagine from our pov it would effectively be JJ for Jones, I don't think there is enough of a difference in value to require draft picks.
                      Would consider Jones and a second round draft pick. You're comparing a Jones with a Norm Smith medallist FFS.
                      I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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                      • Ozza
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 6402

                        #12
                        Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

                        Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                        Where are the Bombers getting all of this coin from? Aren't they about to sign Daniher to a $2m deal?...and we all have suspicions as to how much Hurley cost
                        $2M over 3 years for Daniher. Given the new salary cap....he's signed on for a bargain for Essendon.

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                        • Doc26
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 3087

                          #13
                          Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

                          Originally posted by boydogs
                          First rounder and Duggan/Crozier
                          If West Coast, I'd like to include Tom Barrass in the discussion.

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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #14
                            Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

                            Originally posted by Rocket Science
                            Is 'kick the dog' an acceptable answer?

                            *apologies to dogs everywhere*

                            I don't even want to fathom this. He's one of us. Pay the lad. Sign the lad!
                            Agree, 'Pay zat man heez monay'.

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                            • 1eyedog
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 13387

                              #15
                              Re: If J.J. decides to leave how do we deal

                              We can't just pay every player what they want.
                              But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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