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  • bulldogsthru&thru
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • May 2011
    • 7708

    Re: Pre-season Training 2018

    Originally posted by bornadog


    Tatoo says

    “Motel, Money, Murder Madness”.. from L.A. Women (The Doors)
    That’s the photo. Never seen Libba looking that good

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    • Twodogs
      Moderator
      • Nov 2006
      • 27654

      Re: Pre-season Training 2018

      Originally posted by bornadog


      Tatoo says

      “Motel, Money, Murder Madness”.. from L.A. Women (The Doors)

      Ohhh. Libba has discovered the Doors! That's so cute.

      Actually I shouldn't be commenting. I'm probably the only other person in this conversation that had his favourite band tattooed on him as well. I have a Black Flag on my leg.
      They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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      • Hotdog60
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Aug 2009
        • 5851

        Re: Pre-season Training 2018

        Originally posted by GVGjr
        Buku Khamis, he is a next generation academy player. He plays for the Western Jets and if you search there as some nice interviews with him. He hails from South Sudan and was a refugee.
        Thanks GVGjr,
        I'll look him up. I've noticed his name pop up on here in some posts so now I can see what he looks like. The Sudanese do alright in the Gym will he be like Daw or is smaller build.
        Don't piss off old people
        The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34316

          Re: Pre-season Training 2018

          Originally posted by Hotdog60
          Thanks GVGjr,
          I'll look him up. I've noticed his name pop up on here in some posts so now I can see what he looks like. The Sudanese do alright in the Gym will he be like Daw or is smaller build.
          If you go to the father/son thread, there's a few links to articles and an SBS piece on him.
          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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          • Hotdog60
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Aug 2009
            • 5851

            Re: Pre-season Training 2018

            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
            If you go to the father/son thread, there's a few links to articles no an SBS piece on him.
            Thanks BT
            Don't piss off old people
            The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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            • GVGjr
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 44334

              Re: Pre-season Training 2018

              Originally posted by Hotdog60
              Thanks GVGjr,
              I'll look him up. I've noticed his name pop up on here in some posts so now I can see what he looks like. The Sudanese do alright in the Gym will he be like Daw or is smaller build.
              I think he is 188cm so it will be interesting to see if he is still growing. Seems to be more of a midfielder than potential KPP but if he is still growing you never know
              Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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              • Webby
                WOOF Member
                • Jul 2012
                • 1880

                Re: Pre-season Training 2018

                Dropped into training yesterday. They did look very sharp. Really good movement of the footy in drills. A few of the guys being given some running duties. Boyd has fined down from where he was at in the VFL three months ago. Without getting too excited, my mate and I began discussing Libba's Brownlow odds..

                Feeling pretty good....

                Then the goal kicking drills started. If you could call them that.. They were bloody awful!
                It is a massively neglected part of our game. The amount of inconsistency in individual players' techniques, gaits, head position, balance, ball drop, routine etc.

                One thing I'll give rugby league - their goal kickers have improved markedly over the past 30 years. That's backed by conversion rate figures. AFL has regressed. And we're the worst in the comp!

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                • Hotdog60
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 5851

                  Re: Pre-season Training 2018

                  What's Lindsay doing now days, we need him back asap.
                  Don't piss off old people
                  The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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                  • ledge
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 14134

                    Re: Pre-season Training 2018

                    Originally posted by Hotdog60
                    What's Lindsay doing now days, we need him back asap.
                    How about we just get Tory Dickson, he is at training anyway.
                    Bring back the biff

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                    • Twodogs
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 27654

                      Re: Pre-season Training 2018

                      Originally posted by Hotdog60
                      What's Lindsay doing now days, we need him back asap.


                      I've banged on and banged on about this for years but look at Lindsey's technique. It's perfect, upright, head over the ball, he is going to send the ball where he wants it to go. Gilbert made the ball talk not because he is naturally gifted but because he does it properly and he has respect for the ball.
                      They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                      • Webby
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 1880

                        Re: Pre-season Training 2018

                        One of the issues with set shot goal kicking is that everyone thinks techniques need to be perfect. This is not the case. Often, players are encouraged to become "over correct" and end up becoming worse.

                        They become robotic. Unnatural. Almost like a bunch of dressage horses. Ankles too close together - meaning they become top heavy and unbalanced. Hips too square, too much going on in the mind etc etc.

                        In rugby league in the 1980's, there was a trend towards consistent, homogenous, robotic routines. It didn't work. Players have a natural gait. A bit like batsmen. Look at Steve Smith. It's an ugly, ungainly technique - but it works.

                        Look at Buddy. His technique is 'horribly wrong' like Steve Smith's or Bubba Watson's.. But it works. It's instinct.

                        I don't want to see players achieving wonderfully classical actions. I just want to see consistency of method. Narrowed down variables combined with natural instinct. Dickson has it and the results are obvious.

                        As I said earlier, our field kicking was elite on Saturday. Players are instinctive. The ball drops are rarely perfect, but players instinctively adjust their foot position, trajectory, or weighting of their kicks to compensate. However, with goal kicking, everyone seems to simply drop and blast. There isn't that same instinct to adjust to a non-prefect drop, or ball angle.

                        It's either perfect, or it's awful. This is the element that can be changed - but there's a missing link in AFL footy which I think is embarrassing.

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                        • ledge
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 14134

                          Re: Pre-season Training 2018

                          I think it's a lot to do with learning to dart the ball with field kicking but going back to floating it naturally through goals.
                          As we all know darting a football quickly through the air is a lot harder than just floating a kick, players don't practice floating it anymore.
                          Suckling, buddy and many others have an awkward style but it works. I think it's about letting the player kick what's natural to them, maybe it's coaches trying to change the natural that's the problem, let's face it kids got into AFL clubs doing what's natural, the moment they go to clubs they are taught other ways that isn't natural to them.
                          Bring back the biff

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                          • Greystache
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 9775

                            Re: Pre-season Training 2018

                            Originally posted by Webby
                            Then the goal kicking drills started. If you could call them that.. They were bloody awful!
                            It is a massively neglected part of our game. The amount of inconsistency in individual players' techniques, gaits, head position, balance, ball drop, routine etc.

                            One thing I'll give rugby league - their goal kickers have improved markedly over the past 30 years. That's backed by conversion rate figures. AFL has regressed. And we're the worst in the comp!
                            I dropped in for a bit too. The other thing that stood out was even during the general play drills they'd move the ball down the ground cutting different angles with their kicks before eventually a player would receive the ball 50m or so out and run in to have a shot at goal, and that player routinely missed, yet no one seemed to even care.

                            It didn't look like anyone was tracking how many were being kicked and how many were missing. I saw 4 in a row miss from 20-30m out and no one said a word. It's as if the shot at goal was the meaningless formality and the end of the drill.

                            It defies belief that we just don't care about such a critical part of the game, a part that costs wins regularly, yet we obsess over making fractional gains in tiny 1% areas. It's beyond madness. You have to think the coaches are so absorbed in their bubble of sexy AFL trends that they can't see fundamentals are hopelessly lacking.
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                            • Ozza
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 6405

                              Re: Pre-season Training 2018

                              Originally posted by GVGjr
                              I think he is 188cm so it will be interesting to see if he is still growing. Seems to be more of a midfielder than potential KPP but if he is still growing you never know
                              Buku had been playing forward for Jets, but moved to a half back/intercept defender role during last season - and was more than handy at it. Would be good if he grew another 5-6cms....but I think his athleticism bridges the height gap a fair bit. Kicks the footy well.

                              Both Buku, and Rhylee West have been training a bit with the main group. Both NGA players for us - so a really good initiative to have them spend time amongst the big boys.

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                              • BornInDroopSt'54
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 5176

                                Re: Pre-season Training 2018

                                Let's bring back the place kick for goals. Surely there is no man on the mark for them.
                                It's not as if they are like an underarm bowl. They didn't die of stigma.
                                Footscray Football Republic.

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