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  • The Adelaide Connection
    Coaching Staff
    • Jan 2009
    • 2774

    #61
    Originally posted by GVGjr

    A lot of people use a form of a height meter but
    Thilthorpe is 201cm and Lobb is 207cm, Forgarty is 192cm, Coffield is 191cm and Walker is 193cm and JOD is 197cm. Is there really a problem on height?
    My guess is Jones is coming in but it should be based more on ability than us actually being undersized.
    I think a 197cm winger (Curtin) sliding forward is more of an issue tbh.

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    • GVGjr
      Moderator
      • Nov 2006
      • 44566

      #62
      Originally posted by comrade
      I don’t think it's as simple as 3 big forwards equals 3 big defenders. For better or worse, I think we'll maintain our preferred set up and try to damage them going the other way. I don’t want Coffield in that 3rd defensive role but I think we’ll roll with him again (I want to see how Sellwood handles things but probably too early for him).

      As it is every week, the midfield and half forwards MUST have a big day out for us to win, particularly English who is going to need to do mountain for defensive running to give us cover.
      It's an interesting challenge, the Adelaide key forwards have been in form but is going taller to combat them the right way?
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      • Mantis
        Hall of Fame
        • Apr 2007
        • 15403

        #63
        Originally posted by GVGjr

        It's an interesting challenge, the Adelaide key forwards have been in form but is going taller to combat them the right way?
        But have they really?

        Walker in his last 8 games has kicked 8 goals.
        Fogarty in his last 6 games has kicked 6 goals.

        Naughts was getting slayed whilst putting up these sorts of numbers when Darcy was missing.

        So, whilst they do present a danger, there's much more to stopping Adel than focusing on their 3 tall forwards.

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        • Rusty12
          Draftee
          • Dec 2024
          • 567

          #64
          I saw enough from Sellwood in the VFL, to say he is better than other options at D7. His attack on the footy is chaotic. He at least brings an elite weapon, figure the rest out on the fly.
          Jones in, JOD to D3, Freijah and truck can roll back as needed.
          Davidson, Sanders, Truck, Hamres, Bramble and Freijah all outside options.
          Garcia, Freijah, Sanders and Harmes all Mid/Forward options.
          Dolan and Khamis next best options, however I would rather Dolan have a full VFL game, and McNeil sub.
          Dolan looked a class above at the VFL, going to be a very good player.
          Hoping Hynes can go back to VFL level, and put up some huge games in the midfield.

          Backs:
          Jones - Lobb - JOD - Bramble - JJ - Dale
          Outside:
          Sanders - Truck
          Inside:
          Libba - Bont - Richards
          Ruck:
          English
          Forwards:
          Naughton - Darcy - Mennedy - West - VDM - Harmes

          INT: Garcia - Sellwood - Freijah - Davidson
          Sub: McNeil

          Bubble:
          Jaques - Khamis - Baker - Hynes - Scott - Cleary - Dolan - Duyrea - Buss - Poulter
          Not in the Mix:
          Smith - Gardner - Croft - Walker
          Injured:
          Arty - Trelor - Gallagher - Lennedy

          Ins: Jones - Harmes - Davidson
          Out: Coffield - Hynes - Poulter

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          • GVGjr
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 44566

            #65
            Just a slight adjustment to Rusty12's team, The outs should have included Duryea and the ins should have included Sellwood.
            So that would mean 4 changes to a winning side.
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            • Rusty12
              Draftee
              • Dec 2024
              • 567

              #66
              Originally posted by GVGjr
              Just a slight adjustment to Rusty12's team, The outs should have included Duryea and the ins should have included Sellwood.
              So that would mean 4 changes to a winning side.
              True, thanks G.
              A lot of change for a winning team.
              Looks like my record in selecting the 23, will remain terrible.

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              • JackCJohnston2000
                Rookie List
                • May 2024
                • 277

                #67
                Originally posted by GVGjr
                Just a slight adjustment to Rusty12's team, The outs should have included Duryea and the ins should have included Sellwood.
                So that would mean 4 changes to a winning side.
                Whether it's Rusty's team selection or thinking of my own... this keeps coming up. There are quite a few changes that I think we could, and maybe should, make but when have we ever made multiple unforced changes (let alone 4) after a win? And not just a win but 3 wins in a row? It feels like on paper that 3 or 4 changes, so we can bring in Jones and return Davidson and Harmes into the fold AND take a risk with someone like Sellwood, is possible and maybe looks like a better team. But in reality, these are human beings. And selection integrity is a thing. Can you really tell 3 or 4 players who contributed well to a winning side "Hey, well done. You didn't do too much wrong. But you're all out".

                Maybe. Maybe you can do that... but Bevo being a player's coach, I don't think that's the way he goes about it. He makes you work hard for a spot but once you get it, you tend to get multiple chances to cement your spot there (Duryea was in for a while then dropped, same with Jones). So do we think guys like Duryea (again) or Poulter or Garcia get dropped after the one game? Or guys like Hynes or Coffield who have shown incremental improvement with each game?

                I am rambling here, sorry. But I think you guys get my point. There is a risk in making too many unforced changes to a side that has been winning games. And before you say "Oh but the defence has been horrible", you are right but again, is Bevo just going to throw out the personnel wholesale or train the guys who are there to be better? My gut says, Bevo is a guy that will do the latter.

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                • JackCJohnston2000
                  Rookie List
                  • May 2024
                  • 277

                  #68
                  Originally posted by JackCJohnston2000

                  Whether it's Rusty's team selection or thinking of my own... this keeps coming up. There are quite a few changes that I think we could, and maybe should, make but when have we ever made multiple unforced changes (let alone 4) after a win? And not just a win but 3 wins in a row? It feels like on paper that 3 or 4 changes, so we can bring in Jones and return Davidson and Harmes into the fold AND take a risk with someone like Sellwood, is possible and maybe looks like a better team. But in reality, these are human beings. And selection integrity is a thing. Can you really tell 3 or 4 players who contributed well to a winning side "Hey, well done. You didn't do too much wrong. But you're all out".

                  Maybe. Maybe you can do that... but Bevo being a player's coach, I don't think that's the way he goes about it. He makes you work hard for a spot but once you get it, you tend to get multiple chances to cement your spot there (Duryea was in for a while then dropped, same with Jones). So do we think guys like Duryea (again) or Poulter or Garcia get dropped after the one game? Or guys like Hynes or Coffield who have shown incremental improvement with each game?

                  I am rambling here, sorry. But I think you guys get my point. There is a risk in making too many unforced changes to a side that has been winning games. And before you say "Oh but the defence has been horrible", you are right but again, is Bevo just going to throw out the personnel wholesale or train the guys who are there to be better? My gut says, Bevo is a guy that will do the latter.
                  Duryea and Jones are probably bad examples since they were established best 23 before being dropped. Better examples would be Hynes, Dolan and Buku. Hynes and Dolan played considerable VFL footy and then held their spot, even without great AFL games, for at least 3 games. And Buku came into the team and basically stayed there from day 1 but I don't think most people had him best 23 for round 1.

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                  • Mantis
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 15403

                    #69
                    Originally posted by JackCJohnston2000

                    Whether it's Rusty's team selection or thinking of my own... this keeps coming up. There are quite a few changes that I think we could, and maybe should, make but when have we ever made multiple unforced changes (let alone 4) after a win? And not just a win but 3 wins in a row? It feels like on paper that 3 or 4 changes, so we can bring in Jones and return Davidson and Harmes into the fold AND take a risk with someone like Sellwood, is possible and maybe looks like a better team. But in reality, these are human beings. And selection integrity is a thing. Can you really tell 3 or 4 players who contributed well to a winning side "Hey, well done. You didn't do too much wrong. But you're all out".

                    Maybe. Maybe you can do that... but Bevo being a player's coach, I don't think that's the way he goes about it. He makes you work hard for a spot but once you get it, you tend to get multiple chances to cement your spot there (Duryea was in for a while then dropped, same with Jones). So do we think guys like Duryea (again) or Poulter or Garcia get dropped after the one game? Or guys like Hynes or Coffield who have shown incremental improvement with each game?

                    I am rambling here, sorry. But I think you guys get my point. There is a risk in making too many unforced changes to a side that has been winning games. And before you say "Oh but the defence has been horrible", you are right but again, is Bevo just going to throw out the personnel wholesale or train the guys who are there to be better? My gut says, Bevo is a guy that will do the latter.
                    It's much easier when at least 2 of them only played against North due to 1st choice players becoming ill.

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                    • Sedat
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 11211

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Mantis

                      It's much easier when at least 2 of them only played against North due to 1st choice players becoming ill.
                      Yep, Gardner had outstanding VFL form when he was recalled against Hawthorn and was dropped after 1 week. It's July and we need to settle our line-up as best as we can with players who have a decent sample size of being capable at this level - those that can't need to make way for those that can. The pressure that will invariably come against the better teams will quickly sort the wheat from the chaff.
                      "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                      • GVGjr
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 44566

                        #71
                        Originally posted by JackCJohnston2000

                        Whether it's Rusty's team selection or thinking of my own... this keeps coming up. There are quite a few changes that I think we could, and maybe should, make but when have we ever made multiple unforced changes (let alone 4) after a win? And not just a win but 3 wins in a row? It feels like on paper that 3 or 4 changes, so we can bring in Jones and return Davidson and Harmes into the fold AND take a risk with someone like Sellwood, is possible and maybe looks like a better team. But in reality, these are human beings. And selection integrity is a thing. Can you really tell 3 or 4 players who contributed well to a winning side "Hey, well done. You didn't do too much wrong. But you're all out".

                        Maybe. Maybe you can do that... but Bevo being a player's coach, I don't think that's the way he goes about it. He makes you work hard for a spot but once you get it, you tend to get multiple chances to cement your spot there (Duryea was in for a while then dropped, same with Jones). So do we think guys like Duryea (again) or Poulter or Garcia get dropped after the one game? Or guys like Hynes or Coffield who have shown incremental improvement with each game?

                        I am rambling here, sorry. But I think you guys get my point. There is a risk in making too many unforced changes to a side that has been winning games. And before you say "Oh but the defence has been horrible", you are right but again, is Bevo just going to throw out the personnel wholesale or train the guys who are there to be better? My gut says, Bevo is a guy that will do the latter.
                        We are starting to get into the pointy end of the season and every win is becoming vital for us so it's time to settle the side down, pick the most in form and suitable players each week.
                        We've passed the stage of playing youngsters for development reasons unless their form now warrants it.
                        Poutler and Duryea needed to nail their chances and came up a bit short. Perhaps one of them survives but if Harmes and Davidson are over their illness they need to come in and then Jones, Cleary and maybe Sellwood are around the mark for being selected.

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 66558

                          #72
                          Originally posted by GVGjr

                          We are starting to get into the pointy end of the season and every win is becoming vital for us so it's time to settle the side down, pick the most in form and suitable players each week.
                          We've passed the stage of playing youngsters for development reasons unless their form now warrants it.
                          Poutler and Duryea needed to nail their chances and came up a bit short. Perhaps one of them survives but if Harmes and Davidson are over their illness they need to come in and then Jones, Cleary and maybe Sellwood are around the mark for being selected.
                          Is Sellwood ready to play AFL?
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                          • GVGjr
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 44566

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Rusty12

                            True, thanks G.
                            A lot of change for a winning team.
                            Looks like my record in selecting the 23, will remain terrible.
                            I really don't know if selecting Sellwood this week or even next is warranted but it could happen.
                            At a guess, and before I get a chance to witness training tomorrow, I suspect we will go into the game with 3 changes.

                            Garcia should hold his spot, Poulter and Duryea could miss out and there might be a question mark on Coffield even though Bevo's presser seemed to convey he was happy with his performance.
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                            • mjp
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 7342

                              #74
                              Originally posted by GVGjr

                              We've passed the stage of playing youngsters for development reasons unless their form now warrants it.
                              Well - I would argue you've never passed that stage but there's more too it than that.

                              If - for example - the MC have decided that the players who HAVE had an opportunity are either:
                              a/. Not ready
                              b/. Don't 'fit' the role

                              Then they are kind of obligated to continue trying stuff. Whether that be rolling in young developing players or trying older ones in new roles, I'm actually here for it. No point in wondering whether or not doing 'x' might make a difference...try it now. If that means playing Jones at full-forward or trialling Jaques as a pressure forward or Rhylee West as a shut down defender, well...I don't care. To me right now it is clear that whilst we *could* win it we are most likely to finish somewhere between 3rd and 7th'ish...so why not give something a crack even at this late stage.
                              What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                              • Scott2016
                                Rookie List
                                • Dec 2024
                                • 140

                                #75
                                If we want to beat the better teams we have to play the ones who are best on ability or they have a specific job to nullify an opposition player. We are playing for keeps now and if it means 4 changes so be it. 2 of the players were lucky to get a game as 2 guys were ill. So they are auto outs and I would be bringing in Jones for the next 2 weeks. If we dont win one of the next 2 we can then reassess on who gets a game. The next 2 weeks is the season!! win 2 we are contenders, win one we still in it. Lose 2 then its a long road back unless results in other games go our way.

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