Coaching Group - Under Pressure?

[Twodogs]

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I think that the salary cap for the footy dept is a soft cap. It's only is only fines/slap on the wrist for breaching it.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Isn't there a cap on footy department spending?

This is the soft cap.

Clubs are still free to spend whatever they can afford, but if they exceed the cap, they are then subject to an AFL imposed tax of (I think) 40% for every dollar of excess spending.

So effectively if the cap is $10m (I don't have figures) and they spend $12m they then need to find another $800K to pay to the AFL.

I am sure the AFL accept rubbery figures when it suits them.

[Greystache]

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This is the soft cap.

Clubs are still free to spend whatever they can afford, but if they exceed the cap, they are then subject to an AFL imposed tax of (I think) 40% for every dollar of excess spending.

So effectively if the cap is $10m (I don't have figures) and they spend $12m they then need to find another $800K to pay to the AFL.

I am sure the AFL accept rubbery figures when it suits them.

Exactly. And unlike the salary cap there's no minimum spend requirement. Club's can spend whatever they think is responsible. I would think we'd be well below the cap when you look at the football department costs in the end of year reports. We can add extra coaches if we choose but that doesn't change the fact that we've managed to have all our assistant coaches coming out of contract at the same time. To not have them staggered is beyond amateur resource management.

[Scraggers]

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Like others here, I don't understand the swap of coaches after the 2016 Premiership and no change after the 2017 season.

I would hope fresh blood is brought in as a matter of urgency. In saying all of that, listening to our assistant coaches speak at different functions I have attended, I truly believe they continue to have a lot to offer our club.

In regards to Bevo's tenancy as Head Coach (from an outsiders point of view), he can hold the position as long as he sees fit. From my perspective he brought me (and thousands of other Bulldog faithful) something we hadn't felt in my lifetime ... the ultimate success and expectation for more of that. The way I judge my Bulldogs now compared to pre-premiership is always going to be harsher; and I love that feeling of expectation ... Bevo gave me that !!

[Bulldog Joe]

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Like others here, I don't understand the swap of coaches after the 2016 Premiership and no change after the 2017 season.

I would hope fresh blood is brought in as a matter of urgency. In saying all of that, listening to our assistant coaches speak at different functions I have attended, I truly believe they continue to have a lot to offer our club.

In regards to Bevo's tenancy as Head Coach (from an outsiders point of view), he can hold the position as long as he sees fit. From my perspective he brought me (and thousands of other Bulldog faithful) something we hadn't felt in my lifetime ... the ultimate success and expectation for more of that. The way I judge my Bulldogs now compared to pre-premiership is always going to be harsher; and I love that feeling of expectation ... Bevo gave me that !!

I understand your sentiment and Bevo will always be the hero of 2016.

However, the world does not wait. If the current malaise is not addressed the person in charge must take responsibility.
Previous success does not provide exemption from the requirements for ongoing success.

As a club we need to strive for continuous achievement.

[bulldogtragic]

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I understand your sentiment and Bevo will always be the hero of 2016.

However, the world does not wait. If the current malaise is not addressed the person in charge must take responsibility.
Previous success does not provide exemption from the requirements for ongoing success.

As a club we need to strive for continuous achievement.

Great post. Everyone's legacy from 2016 will last forever as something great from the past. But everyone's current performance and ability to return us to 2016 like success in the future are the two major questions facing the club going forward into the off season.

[GVGjr]

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Like others here, I don't understand the swap of coaches after the 2016 Premiership and no change after the 2017 season.

I would hope fresh blood is brought in as a matter of urgency. In saying all of that, listening to our assistant coaches speak at different functions I have attended, I truly believe they continue to have a lot to offer our club.

In regards to Bevo's tenancy as Head Coach (from an outsiders point of view), he can hold the position as long as he sees fit. From my perspective he brought me (and thousands of other Bulldog faithful) something we hadn't felt in my lifetime ... the ultimate success and expectation for more of that. The way I judge my Bulldogs now compared to pre-premiership is always going to be harsher; and I love that feeling of expectation ... Bevo gave me that !!

No one can deny what he has achieved but after 2 unconvincing years since the flag he has to come up with a winning formula next year because as well all know it's hugely important for the club to have healthy membership and sponsorship levels.
This won't occur if we put in 3rd sub standard year

[Go_Dogs]

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No one can deny what he has achieved but after 2 unconvincing years since the flag he has to come up with a winning formula next year because as well all know it's hugely important for the club to have healthy membership and sponsorship levels.
This won't occur if we put in 3rd sub standard year

He needs to get back to being the biggest backer of our people and galvanising the group with his ability to form strong connections - we haven't heard much about it in recent times but was a constant theme early on.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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No one can deny what he has achieved but after 2 unconvincing years since the flag he has to come up with a winning formula next year because as well all know it's hugely important for the club to have healthy membership and sponsorship levels.
This won't occur if we put in 3rd sub standard year

And this presents a very interesting dilemma given where our list stands now in terms of age profile. And the prospect that we will, with departures, present possibly even younger next year, achieving consistent, winning football in 2019 will be a tough ask.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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No one can deny what he has achieved but after 2 unconvincing years since the flag he has to come up with a winning formula next year because as well all know it's hugely important for the club to have healthy membership and sponsorship levels.
This won't occur if we put in 3rd sub standard year

The fallout from our 2016 flag has been nothing short of dramatic, both on and off the field. Without Picken Stringer Dickson and Boyd kicking 3 goals the forward line has been decimated. The defence lost Hamling M Boyd, Roberts after being deemed good enough to play on Swans powerhouse in Franklin, the long time injuries of Wood and Morris plus the sudden fall off in JJ who demanded a huge contract increase and simply hasn’t performed to the level expected. For different reasons Boyd and Roughead stars in our Premiership have for the most part gone missing. Dunkley a good midfielder in our flag win has spent weeks in the VFL and our best midfielder in Liberatore is out for the season through injury.
Our off field woes has seen a succession of CEO’s leave the Club and now we have seen the departures of our two key Recruiting personnel in Dalyrmple and MCCartney and the unusual decision to dramatically change the responsibilities of each of the Assistant Coaches. Is it any wonder that we have fallen away to an unacceptable level. We face the prospect of at least a couple of lean years. On the positive side the emergence of new recruits in Richards Naughton Schache and English have all been fine gains. Crozier is another who has now cemented his place in the team to be one of our better players in recent weeks. Our midfield and forward line clearly lacks depth and class and both areas require urgent attention.

[Sedat]

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And this presents a very interesting dilemma given where our list stands now in terms of age profile. And the prospect that we will, with departures, present possibly even younger next year, achieving consistent, winning football in 2019 will be a tough ask.

I don't think wins and losses are the only KPI's we should be measured against in 2019, considering we will likely be younger and even more bereft of senior players in that 22-28yo bracket than we had this year with a likely 5-17 record. It shows what a disgraceful season 2018 has been and how difficult it will be to improve from this low base with a younger list next year.

My big worry is that we will continue the downward trajectory that afflicted Freo after winning the minor premiership in 2015 - they haven't fired a shot since and look like being in the wilderness for a number of years to come despite having an absolute champion like Fyfe in his prime. We have now had 2 consecutive years of failure, and if I was a betting man there is more likelihood of 3 more years outside the top 8 right now than there is of contending again in 2019-21. And if that prospect doesn't justify an injection of fresh and cutting edge ideas into the coaching group, I don't know what will.

[Ghost Dog]

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The stalwart leaders like Matt Boyd and Bob have been replaced with a new generation. If the thread is about coaching, I think on field leadership plays a big part, carrying out the coaches instructions. We could really use a few older players to settle the group. Our fade-outs a case in point.

[Bullies]

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Why wouldn't we be fully spent, or close? What do you think we've spent of our cap?

We've got a lot of staff under the footy department umbrella.

i believe from the stats that were available we are one of the lowest in what we spend in the footy department. We should have no issue in paying out some of these guys to make change.

[Bornadog]

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i believe from the stats that were available we are one of the lowest in what we spend in the footy department. We should have no issue in paying out some of these guys to make change.

Who would you pay out?

[Axe Man]

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i believe from the stats that were available we are one of the lowest in what we spend in the footy department. We should have no issue in paying out some of these guys to make change.

Where are those stats? I have tried to find them but all I can come up with is this for 2017:

Football Department spending
Collingwood ($28,366,146) – includes AFLW, VFL.
GWS – ($27,227,800)
Sydney – ($26,519,571)
Geelong – ($25,981,512)
West Coast – ($25,669,094)
Western Bulldogs ($25,489,964)
Fremantle – $25,476,311
Melbourne – ($24,223,494)
Brisbane – ($24,712,245)
Port Adelaide – ($24,701,910)
North Melbourne – ($23,851,745)
Carlton – ($23,841,372)
St Kilda – ($23,715,001)
Essendon – ($23,687,766)
Hawthorn – Not Available
Richmond – Not Available
Adelaide – Not Available
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Obviously it includes players payments and other costs outside the footy department cap of $9.3 million, but I am unsure exactly what it does include and how comparable the figures really are with other clubs. Our women's team and VFL may inflate our figure also?