How do we value players?

[GVGjr]

Now do Leek "$750k" Aleer vs JOD.

TdK is actually reasonable compared to that deal. TdK is going to get better and is a critical position player.

I've looked at the JOD vs Leek Aleer comparison and JOD is the better option plus we are getting him for a discount to what Aleer is probably getting.

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[jazzadogs]

Were there any dollar amounts reported for Ed, Dale or Bont when they re-signed?

[Bornadog]

Were there any dollar amounts reported for Ed, Dale or Bont when they re-signed?

I heard Bont was $1.250,000. Dale around $600,000 not sure on Ed. (I could be wrong on Dale)

[Mantis]

Saints have actually been able to get free agents come to them over the years probably because of this, I get the feeling they're a little to trigger happy with the contracts they offer. I did read $850K per season over 5 for a 27yr old Silvagni. That is insanity!

The same Silvagni who has played a total of 12 games across the last 2 years… he has fleeced them!

[NAUGHTY100]

The times are changing with how much money the players can be paid and the length of contracts clubs are offering.

Lets have a look at Tom De Koning vs Tim English

Tim English
As far as I can tell we struck a contract with Tim English for somewhere around 800k per season.
He's a good ruck man/midfielder type who pushes forward and can kick a goal. At 28 he's still got a few more seasons ahead of him.,

Tom De Koning
The Saints have weighed in with a massive offer for TDK more than twice what we will be paying English.
He's a couple of years younger, a bit more explosive but from a stats perspective he's a step behind Tim

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I think we have achieved a great value with keeping English at the club and we have a good contract for both parties.
I'd slightly prefer TDK but it's a marginal difference and there is no way I would cough up more than twice the dollars to bring him over.

The Saints are being lauded for their aggressive targeting at players during this off season but at some point if they keep overpaying to attract talent it will catch up to them.

I get that sometimes you have to push things a bit harder to attract talent but you do have to keep an eye on staying within a budget and keeping a bit extra so that you can react to a changing market.

I agree Gary that DTK is a bit more explosive then English , but paying a guy around 500k more a year then English seems a bit dangerous .
DTK had his flat spots during this year , and if i was spending around 1.5 mil a year to a guy , id want him playing good no great football every week .
Of course trying to pry a guy like DTK out of his club you allways have to pay overs , his not going to leave his club to be on the same money his on already , so its a lot easier to offer a guy at your club 800 or 900 k to stay if they are not cashing money or contract length , and probally dont want to really leave , so their happy with the lower ammount .
We will be in the same boat at the aSaint if we go hard for Butters , that sort of money will have to be in play , but your getting a real force in Butters , and like someone else has said the Saints have a good ruckman in Marshall, he would be on what 800 a year if that so the big question is DTK worth twice what Marshall is worth ?.
Time will tell but i think not , but is Butters worth the same as DTK im pretty sure he is .

[Sedat]

I heard Bont was $1.250,000. Dale around $600,000 not sure on Ed. (I could be wrong on Dale)

I would expect Dale to now be on much more than $600k after the recent contract extension. He is literally the same player with the same impact (even more according to Champion Data) as Nasiah - maybe Nas can impact more further up the ground, but there isn't a world where he is $1.4m a season better than Dale.

Just on English, before we all start patting ourselves on the back I would like to see English impact positively in a finals series. I've been very happy with the development in his stoppage game this year but it needs to be tested in the cauldron of September. I'm hoping the mooted change in ruck rules will help him against the gorillas in 2026 and beyond.

[Happy Days]

I would expect Dale to now be on much more than $600k after the recent contract extension. He is literally the same player with the same impact (even more according to Champion Data) as Nasiah - maybe Nas can impact more further up the ground, but there isn't a world where he is $1.4m a season better than Dale.

Just on English, before we all start patting ourselves on the back I would like to see English impact positively in a finals series. I've been very happy with the development in his stoppage game this year but it needs to be tested in the cauldron of September. I'm hoping the mooted change in ruck rules will help him against the gorillas in 2026 and beyond.

I know it wasn’t a real final but Tim is probably the only player leaving that Freo game with his reputation improved. He beat two of the best handful of rucks in the league more or less by himself.

[Sedat]

I know it wasn’t a real final but Tim is probably the only player leaving that Freo game with his reputation improved. He beat two of the best handful of rucks in the league more or less by himself.

Agreed. His chronic previous weakness at ruck stoppages was significantly improved upon in 2025. The Freo game was a final in all but name only - he competed really well at stoppage but unfortunately his normally sure hands around the ground deserted him on the day and were costly. Irrespective, he was so far from our worst that day.

I hope the rate of improvement he made in 2025 can continue into 2026 and beyond.

[mighty_west]

Agreed. His chronic previous weakness at ruck stoppages was significantly improved upon in 2025. The Freo game was a final in all but name only - he competed really well at stoppage but unfortunately his normally sure hands around the ground deserted him on the day and were costly. Irrespective, he was so far from our worst that day.

I hope the rate of improvement he made in 2025 can continue into 2026 and beyond.

Hopefully it was just a lack of confidence (absolutely fair enough) when he copped those head knocks and suffered the concussions, think that knock v the Crows in Ballarat really knocked him around to starting to find that form again this year, his prime years are now and possibly the next couple of seasons, so important to the side.

[mighty_west]

I would open up the cheque book and get Butters in. Sometimes the value of the player is not just what you pay him, but the value to the team and getting a premiership. Hello Tom Boyd.

100% all chips in, Butters makes our midfield almost unstoppable, we have also offered Cal Wilkie big bucks so the tough part is working out, how?

[jazzadogs]

I would expect Dale to now be on much more than $600k after the recent contract extension. He is literally the same player with the same impact (even more according to Champion Data) as Nasiah - maybe Nas can impact more further up the ground, but there isn't a world where he is $1.4m a season better than Dale.

Just on English, before we all start patting ourselves on the back I would like to see English impact positively in a finals series. I've been very happy with the development in his stoppage game this year but it needs to be tested in the cauldron of September. I'm hoping the mooted change in ruck rules will help him against the gorillas in 2026 and beyond.

Dale 600k sounds impossible.

The point that English isn't perfect further proves that the TDK deal is ridiculous, because he's being paid as though he is perfect (or at least, a match winning difference maker).

[1eyedog]

Dale has to be on 800k+. I expect clubs to come hard for Dale well before his contract expires.

Looking at the TDK / English stat comparison it's clear that English has him pretty much covered everywhere.

[azabob]

Dale has to be on 800k+. I expect clubs to come hard for Dale well before his contract expires.

Looking at the TDK / English stat comparison it's clear that English has him pretty much covered everywhere.

Dale recently extended again till end of 2029. I reckon he’d be on $800k plus.

[1eyedog]

Dale recently extended again till end of 2029. I reckon he’d be on $800k plus.

Yeah I saw that. I take back my comment I had no idea he was 29. Obviously a Bulldog for life now.

[Rocket Science]

Yeah I saw that. I take back my comment I had no idea he was 29. Obviously a Bulldog for life now.

Bailey Dale is what?

I think of him as a perpetual 24 year old.

Really rams home what we've spent the last half-dozen years habitually pissing away.