Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

[DOG GOD]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

The problem with Street is that if he's not rucking then he's sitting on the pine as he is useless anywhere else. Someone his height SHOULD be able to sit in the goal square and let them drop it on his head, but he cant do it with any success.

[1eyedog]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

The problem with Street is that if he's not rucking then he's sitting on the pine as he is useless anywhere else. Someone his height SHOULD be able to sit in the goal square and let them drop it on his head, but he cant do it with any success.

I saw him play full forward at Kardinia Park quite a few years back, went ok on the lead and has a decent set of hands?

[Rocket Science]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

The problem with Street is that if he's not rucking then he's sitting on the pine as he is useless anywhere else. Someone his height SHOULD be able to sit in the goal square and let them drop it on his head, but he cant do it with any success.

I agree Streety could be employed as a resting tall forward, but I'd argue his lack of success is mostly because he's seldom been used in that role with any sort of regularity. One only need refer to Minson to see the fruits, however modest to date, of employing blokes in certain roles consistently and with deliberate intent.

Street's height is a clear advantage, he has a pretty clean pair of hands, can take a decent contested grab, and to my mind is actually pretty reliable kick, particularly with set shots. If nothing else he can treat long bombs as ball ups and tap to his crumbers.

He's obviously prone to exploitation when the ball hits the deck, especially when accountable forwards are the go these days, but that can be countered with the right supporting cast when he cameos in front of goal, and correct disposal into forward 50.

I reckon the idea's got legs.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

I agree Streety could be employed as a resting tall forward, but I'd argue his lack of success is mostly because he's seldom been used in that role with any sort of regularity. One only need refer to Minson to see the fruits, however modest to date, of employing blokes in certain roles consistently and with deliberate intent.

Street's height is a clear advantage, he has a pretty clean pair of hands, can take a decent contested grab, and to my mind is actually pretty reliable kick, particularly with set shots. If nothing else he can treat long bombs as ball ups and tap to his crumbers.

He's obviously prone to exploitation when the ball hits the deck, especially when accountable forwards are the go these days, but that can be countered with the right supporting cast when he cameos in front of goal, and correct disposal into forward 50.

I reckon the idea's got legs.

I'm not really keen on the idea of Street resting as a forward. If we want an extra player to play tall in the forward line, throw Wight down there. He's taken some good grabs up forward and kicked a few goals this year, and I've generally been impressed with his ability to conjure goals (his soccer off the ground in the goal square earlier in the year a good example).

If Street does come in, it will simply allow for him and Hudson to share the ruck duties and bench duties and possibly drop back after the ruck contest in front of the Hawthorn forwards, and Minson to spend the whole game as a permanent forward.

If we don't bring Street in and there is not an obvious match up for Wight down back, he could be used up forward as well as Minson, and take the forward role when Minson has to go into the ruck.

I think I'm leaning towards keeping Wight in at this stage of the week...but who knows how I'll feel tomorrow.

[Mantis]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Is there a chance we play Williams on Roughead instead of Lake? (I assume we will be playing Morris on Buddy)

When we beat them early last year Lake played a sensational game as he was allowed the luxury (??) of picking up Boyle for most of the game rather than Roughead or Buddy. He zoned off Boyle and took alot of contested marks as the 'third man up' which helped cut off many of Hawthorn's forward thrusts.

Hawthorn really play only 2 tall forwards so if we use this tactic it may see Lake picking up Williams.

Is this a possibility and would it work?? I suppose if it is or does Clarkson would try to counter this tactic.

[Happy Days]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Callan should go to Rioli, or help Dale on Buddy

[LostDoggy]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

See opposition player focus on Chance Bateman -- he is far and away their most damaging midfielder this year, getting the ball into their F50 six times a game and averaging almost 3 goal assists a game, miles ahead of any of his other midfield compatriots. To give you a comparison, the elite attacking centremen in the game only average around 5 inside-50s and less than 1.5 goal assists a game. (Murph is our inside-50 leader with around 5.5 and 1.5 goal assists a game). He has been their best on ground at least three or four times this year already (overshadowed by Buddy-hype, of course), and with most of their midfield injured, shut the guy down and they won't post a score. Buddy will go looking for kicks in the backline and middle, and that's where we can afford to have him.

Our best tagger -- Callan, Boyd, Eagleton??! -- should go to Chance and just sit on him. Literally. All game. None of their other midfield guys (apart from Crawf, who is probably injured) are elite kicks anyway and Lakey should mop up the errant long bombs coming in.

I say it again, break even on the inside-50s and we'll win EASILY (as if the Dogs ever do anything easily). The Hawks kick like madmen -- they've scored 132 behinds to their 159 goals ('accuracy' of only 54%), so if you let them blaze away 20 times they'll only score 11 goals.

PRESSURE, PRESSURE, PRESSURE. It'll be good to see some quality tackling this week.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Is there a chance we play Williams on Roughead instead of Lake? (I assume we will be playing Morris on Buddy)

When we beat them early last year Lake played a sensational game as he was allowed the luxury (??) of picking up Boyle for most of the game rather than Roughead or Buddy. He zoned off Boyle and took alot of contested marks as the 'third man up' which helped cut off many of Hawthorn's forward thrusts.

Hawthorn really play only 2 tall forwards so if we use this tactic it may see Lake picking up Williams.

Is this a possibility and would it work?? I suppose if it is or does Clarkson would try to counter this tactic.

Didn't Williams kick 6 on Harris in 2006?

I like the idea if Lake could play on someone less dangerous.

I like Shaggy for Williams.

[Mantis]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Didn't Williams kick 6 on Harris in 2006?

I like the idea if Lake could play on someone less dangerous.

I like Shaggy for Williams.

2005.

I like Shaggy for Williams too.

Who does Tom Williams play on if Morris goes to Buddy and Lake goes to Roughead?

[Mofra]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

2005.

I like Shaggy for Williams too.

Who does Tom Williams play on if Morris goes to Buddy and Lake goes to Roughead?

Tommygun has to go to Boyle, and I'm worried that hell get carved up - could even see Boyle running back goalside & taking marks as Roughy dummy leads to get Lake away from the square.

I still don't rate the Hawk's backline that highly, their gameplan helps them alot so getting the ball in quickly should work in our favour - the Hawthorn opposition scores more goals per F50 entry than almost any other side, so statistically you can mount an argument that they are one of the worst backlines in the comp.

[Mantis]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Tommygun has to go to Boyle, and I'm worried that hell get carved up - could even see Boyle running back goalside & taking marks as Roughy dummy leads to get Lake away from the square.

I still don't rate the Hawk's backline that highly, their gameplan helps them alot so getting the ball in quickly should work in our favour - the Hawthorn opposition scores more goals per F50 entry than almost any other side, so statistically you can mount an argument that they are one of the worst backlines in the comp.

Boyle isn't even playing so I doubt this will happen....

[Mofra]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Boyle isn't even playing so I doubt this will happen....

Oops

If the Hawks rest a ruckman forward I would guess Williams could go to Campbell/Taylor, although Gilbee's best football was played on resting ruckman (in 2005, he was our only player to play on an opposition ruckman from every team!).

The other option is to play Williams on Roughead & have Lake play the Fletcher/Scarlett type goalkeeper role, 3rd man up in contests as he judges the ball better than almost any other defender in the comp.

[Bornadog]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Oops

The other option is to play Williams on Roughead & have Lake play the Fletcher/Scarlett type goalkeeper role, 3rd man up in contests as he judges the ball better than almost any other defender in the comp.

I think this is what will happen, with Shaggy on M.Williams. and Morris to pickup buddy.

[The Pie Man]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

gee...how handy would an in-form Everitt be right now?

I saw Andrejs take a nice mark for Willy on the weekend, sadly that doesn't make a solidy day - Tiller earned a recall with his performance (Josh Hill was good too)

I'm guessing Tom Williams is the Buddy Plan B if his reach gets the better of Morris - or Lake to Buddy (who could play a bit more physical on him, I swear Buddy's VERY loose, he needs to be tested) and Williams to Roughead

Franklin is so loose, I can see the Hawks making a GF in the next few years and Buddy out until 4am on the Thursday night before it boozing....loose

[hujsh]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

See opposition player focus on Chance Bateman -- he is far and away their most damaging midfielder this year, getting the ball into their F50 six times a game and averaging almost 3 goal assists a game, miles ahead of any of his other midfield compatriots. To give you a comparison, the elite attacking centremen in the game only average around 5 inside-50s and less than 1.5 goal assists a game. (Murph is our inside-50 leader with around 5.5 and 1.5 goal assists a game). He has been their best on ground at least three or four times this year already (overshadowed by Buddy-hype, of course), and with most of their midfield injured, shut the guy down and they won't post a score. Buddy will go looking for kicks in the backline and middle, and that's where we can afford to have him.

Our best tagger -- Callan, Boyd, Eagleton??! -- should go to Chance and just sit on him. Literally. All game. None of their other midfield guys (apart from Crawf, who is probably injured) are elite kicks anyway and Lakey should mop up the errant long bombs coming in.

I say it again, break even on the inside-50s and we'll win EASILY (as if the Dogs ever do anything easily). The Hawks kick like madmen -- they've scored 132 behinds to their 159 goals ('accuracy' of only 54%), so if you let them blaze away 20 times they'll only score 11 goals.

PRESSURE, PRESSURE, PRESSURE. It'll be good to see some quality tackling this week.

I hope that was a joke