Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

[The Pie Man]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

I hope that was a joke

I actaully liked the reference to Lake as 'Lakey' - might have to work that into my game day vocab...

Anyone notice Eagleton bears an uncanny resemblance to slain hitman Andrew 'Benji' Vianmin - if you hear anyone yelling 'Benji' at Dogs games when Eagleton's bearing down on 50, it's likely my brother & I

[Raw Toast]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

I hope that was a joke

Eagleton as a tagging option is certainly not a joke - a few years ago he got back into the team as a tagger, and quite a few have commented on the decent job he did on Harvey (the early KO helped, but player's who've been concussed can still come back and play a dominant game as Sam Mitchell did against the Power two weeks ago).

If Eagle on Bateman means that Eagle spends a bit more time in the back half that should be ok, because we need someone who can kick the ball and create run coming out of defense.

[1eyedog]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Eagleton as a tagging option is certainly not a joke - a few years ago he got back into the team as a tagger, and quite a few have commented on the decent job he did on Harvey (the early KO helped, but player's who've been concussed can still come back and play a dominant game as Sam Mitchell did against the Power two weeks ago).

If Eagle on Bateman means that Eagle spends a bit more time in the back half that should be ok, because we need someone who can kick the ball and create run coming out of defense.

In all seriousness yes it is. Sure Eagleton has been right up there since the Freo game with his tackling (has been in the top 3 with Crossy most weeks) but a few reasonably defensive acts do not make you a renowned tagger. He has obviously been told he needs to get more defensive or else he is out. He is by nature an outside player who has certainly lifted his defensive work rate over the past month, but he needs to do this for a long period of time to get any credit as a tagging option from me.

[Rocket Science]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Agreed.

It's wonderful that after a decade in the biz Eagle's decided to add the tackle to his armoury of skills but a handful of tackles per game doesn't necessarily make up for what I perceive as his continually slack marking of opponents around the ground. His man still gets too many easy touches through the middle for mine.

That all sounds very harsh I suppose and it's pleasing to a degree to see him attempt to re-fashion his game, but he needs to be more diligent about it and continue to improve in this area.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Quite a little debate back there around a throwaway name that I just chucked in. I just threw Eagleton's name in the hat because he was used to tag Harvey last week and I don't think any of us saw THAT coming.

Having said that he did a okay job, I suppose...

[Rocket Science]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Some blokes are just lightning rods for opinion I suppose. Eagle's certainly one of them.

It's a particularly pertinent issue this round because, in the view of many including Rocket himself, the battle to beat the Hawks' forward line will probably need to be won in the midfield, ie: applying consistent pressure and restricting supply.

To pull that off, Eagle, and the rest of his midfield mates for that matter, need to buy into this approach as a disciplined, cohesive unit.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Would Callan lack the agility to go with Williams?

I'd hold Ward back a bit longer. Tassie isn't the spot for him to debut and I think a home game would be ideal.

I'ld like to see Callan as the loose man and maybe gilbee go to williams as mark will not have the motor to chase Lindsay all day. shaggy would be second just to run off and use the use up the fuel tank.

[1eyedog]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

I'ld like to see Callan as the loose man and maybe gilbee go to williams as mark will not have the motor to chase Lindsay all day. shaggy would be second just to run off and use the use up the fuel tank.

I hear ya, but I think Williams is just a little to smart with the reading of the ball through the air for Gilbee, don't get me wrong, Gilbs is quite underrated above his head imo, but he's not in the same class as Williams there. I like Shaggy on Williams. I know what you are saying with blowing out Williams' fuel tickets as it can be done, but if Clarkson gets Gilbee sitting on Williams Clarko will put Williams straight into the goal square and Williams could have 3 or 4 before half time. Williams will play too deep for Gilbs and we will lose much of our run from half back if we play him there. Get Gilbs on a HB flank.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

He has been their best on ground at least three or four times this year already (overshadowed by Buddy-hype, of course), and with most of their midfield injured, shut the guy down and they won't post a score. Buddy will go looking for kicks in the backline and middle, and that's where we can afford to have him.

I say it again, break even on the inside-50s and we'll win EASILY (as if the Dogs ever do anything easily).

PRESSURE, PRESSURE, PRESSURE. It'll be good to see some quality tackling this week.

Anyone want the lotto numbers?

[GVGjr]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Anyone want the lotto numbers?

Actually yes. Great call by the way, I thought of that very post late in the game.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Who saw that coming?

Haha TCD, don't want to keep blowing my own horn here, but if you look through some of my posts I've been saying this about the Hawks game all week:

My point -- Hawthorn midfield don't kick goals:
Buddy and Roughie kicked 9 goals between the two of them, and the Hawks only ended up with 12 goals and 14 shots on goal all up.

My point -- the Dogs will come out snarling after last week, and pressure and tackling will be the key:
Dogs belt the Hawks in the hard-ball gets and tackles and kill the Hawks' run completely.

My prediction -- Dogs by 34 points, Johnno to kick the first goal:
Dogs won by 32, Johnno kicked the second goal.

My prediction -- Franklin to have a shocker after a good first quarter
Buddy ended up with 5 but he kicked most of them in the first and second quarter, and in the second half he kicks a shot out on the full, and drops a couple of sitters.

I can safely say I saw it coming.

[1eyedog]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Haha TCD, don't want to keep blowing my own horn here, but if you look through some of my posts I've been saying this about the Hawks game all week:

My point -- Hawthorn midfield don't kick goals:
Buddy and Roughie kicked 9 goals between the two of them, and the Hawks only ended up with 12 goals and 14 shots on goal all up.

My point -- the Dogs will come out snarling after last week, and pressure and tackling will be the key:
Dogs belt the Hawks in the hard-ball gets and tackles and kill the Hawks' run completely.

My prediction -- Dogs by 34 points, Johnno to kick the first goal:
Dogs won by 32, Johnno kicked the second goal.

My prediction -- Franklin to have a shocker after a good first quarter
Buddy ended up with 5 but he kicked most of them in the first and second quarter, and in the second half he kicks a shot out on the full, and drops a couple of sitters.

I can safely say I saw it coming.

Hey Lantern, you should take ledge's username

[The Pie Man]

Re: Round 10, 2008 - Dogs v Hawks match preview

Franklin had 3 of his goals gifted to him, Tom Williams was super. While it cost him a few goals, Tom wasn't scared to leave his man and create another option. Could be a real turning point in his career. The team too, hopefully after that they'll believe we belong in the top 4 and can genuinely challenge