If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

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  • Twodogs
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 27654

    #61
    Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

    Oxymoron isn't name calling.
    They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 66170

      #62
      Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

      Originally posted by Twodogs
      Oxymoron isn't name calling.
      I called him a troll, only because he uses words like that.
      FFC: Established 1883

      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34316

        #63
        Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

        Originally posted by bornadog
        Oxymoronic - that is great way to discuss this subject matter.
        That's just a mere description. What's wrong with a poster using 'oxymoron' to describe their thoughts of something such labelled being the opposite, or in complete contradiction of the label in practice? Seems a legitimate use of the term to my understanding of the word and what was being said.

        Best back to topic I'd suggest.
        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 66170

          #64
          Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

          double
          FFC: Established 1883

          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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          • Bulldog4life
            WOOF Member
            • Oct 2007
            • 9607

            #65
            Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

            Originally posted by Greystache
            So what point were you trying to make by posting that old article? That we have a sponsorship with VU? They also sponsor the ground by the way, does that influence the type of grass we can use?
            Now you are being silly. My main point is, although you might think you know, you haven't a clue in hell what influence the VU sports science dept has over our players.

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 66170

              #66
              Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

              Whatever BT, if that is how someone wants to make an argument with no facts to back it up.
              FFC: Established 1883

              Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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              • bulldogtragic
                The List Manager
                • Jan 2007
                • 34316

                #67
                Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

                Originally posted by bornadog
                Whatever BT, if that is how someone wants to make an argument with no facts to back it up.
                Im just trying to keep the focus on the thread topic at hand.
                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                • Greystache
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 9775

                  #68
                  Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

                  Originally posted by Bulldog4life
                  Now you are being silly. My main point is, although you might think you know, you haven't a clue in hell what influence the VU sports science dept has over our players.
                  I'm glad someone who doesn't know me, has never met me, and has no idea who I have contact with would know I have no idea about the relationship with VU. That's some psychic level of insight you posses!
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                  • Bulldog4life
                    WOOF Member
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 9607

                    #69
                    Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

                    Originally posted by Greystache
                    I'm glad someone who doesn't know me, has never met me, and has no idea who I have contact with would know I have no idea about the relationship with VU. That's some psychic level of insight you posses!
                    I will pm the Powerball numbers to you if you are good.

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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      #70
                      Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      Whatever BT, if that is how someone wants to make an argument with no facts to back it up.
                      I have used facts to which you seem unable to respond to in a mature fashion without name calling. Disappointing really.

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                      • Bornadog
                        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 66170

                        #71
                        Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

                        Originally posted by Red White Blue
                        I have used facts to which you seem unable to respond to in a mature fashion without name calling. Disappointing really.
                        The facts I am talking about are breaking down the last 3 years injuries and let's see how many are soft tissue and how many are ACLs, broken bones, ankles etc in general play and compare that to the rest of the comp. Of course injury management is another area to look at as well.

                        I am not saying we don't have problems, but I also like facts and figures and not second hand news from someone who knows someone.

                        As I have said, the club needs to do a review at the end of the year.
                        FFC: Established 1883

                        Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #72
                          Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          The facts I am talking about are breaking down the last 3 years injuries and let's see how many are soft tissue and how many are ACLs, broken bones, ankles etc in general play and compare that to the rest of the comp. Of course injury management is another area to look at as well.

                          I am not saying we don't have problems, but I also like facts and figures and not second hand news from someone who knows someone.

                          As I have said, the club needs to do a review at the end of the year.
                          Bone stress injuries are a diect result of overwork and possibly poor monitoring. Something our sports science team is responsible for managing. It isnt secondhand info that we have three BSIs, it is fact. So too is it factual that Wood and Dickson have suffered recurrent hamstring injuries.

                          So i would suggest that our sports science team describing themselves as 'high performance' is taking the piss, as the opposite is true. I assume you agree things arent travelling well, hence your call for a review.

                          The fact is our so called 'high performance' team is underperforming (and that is a textbook eg of an oxymoron, a Telstra 'help' desk is another oxymoron).

                          So on topic, if Im Peter Gordon my first priority would be reviewing and likely changing our sports science set up. It isnt working and it hasn't worked for three years.

                          The flow on effect is massive as our best 27 let alone 22 never plays. Performance and memberships then suffer. And crucially players will simply refuse to come to a club with such a sloppy injury management record. O'Meara for example picked Hawthorn mainly due to their injury management record.

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                          • azabob
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15210

                            #73
                            Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

                            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                            Im just trying to keep the focus on the thread topic at hand.
                            Regardless how we finish the season I think we still need a major review and some change of assistant coaches and the wider football department.

                            I hope we are well under way in reviewing our list management strategy and decisions over the past 3 years. A particular focus on offering contracts and length of contracts.
                            More of an In Bruges guy?

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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34316

                              #74
                              Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

                              Originally posted by azabob
                              Regardless how we finish the season I think we still need a major review and some change of assistant coaches and the wider football department.

                              I hope we are well under way in reviewing our list management strategy and decisions over the past 3 years. A particular focus on offering contracts and length of contracts.
                              Yep. There's a lot of fix. The up shot is that if Gordon & Bains & Grant really the gumption to make all the hard necessary changes, the club will benefit bigly with the talent we have on our list and more talent this draft/trade period. I hope they make the hard calls, tough decisions and set us up. As a member, I'd love an actual review document (less sensitive info obviously) to be given to members outlining where we are at, why we are here now and what they're doing to turn one flag into a dynasty period (which we can do). Having a report like that to read would be worth more than a copy of the AGM, magnets, key rings or stickers as a reason to invest even more financially into the club for existing members and sway members not to leave and sceptics to sign up. I doubt it'll happen though, probably just a poorly developed communications strategy to not address this stuff head on and just watch an online video about how things are awesome. But I can hope for the latter.
                              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                              • jeemak
                                Bulldog Legend
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 21586

                                #75
                                Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

                                What if Gordon and Grant are part of the problem? How significant a review are we in need of?
                                TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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