Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

[hujsh]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

I'm still thinking about the Vandermeer reports from training, that he was swearing/yelling at teammates for not passing him the ball. I have a real problem with it, and hope that someone in leadership observed it and is pulling him up on it.

This isn't about driving standards imo. Matty Boyd drove standards and wasn't afraid to tell people they weren't working hard enough etc. But all the examples with Laith have been that the ball didn't get passed to him.

If he's also yelling at blokes not setting up the zone, or not running back to defend, or not blocking for a teammate...great.

But yelling at your teammate in December because he ignored your lead in a match sim is selfish.

There are certain situations where it might be right but in general, especially when directed at the younger players, it seems selfish. However Laitham is probably frustrated and in the heat of the moment is letting that show too quickly. Maybe once the session ends and he cools off he's better about being more constructive. I'd back the coaches/ leaders to be on it if he's not.

It does feed into this undisciplined persona he's created for himself with the silly frees and 50m penalties he's given up

[GVGjr]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

I'm still thinking about the Vandermeer reports from training, that he was swearing/yelling at teammates for not passing him the ball. I have a real problem with it, and hope that someone in leadership observed it and is pulling him up on it.

This isn't about driving standards imo. Matty Boyd drove standards and wasn't afraid to tell people they weren't working hard enough etc. But all the examples with Laith have been that the ball didn't get passed to him.

If he's also yelling at blokes not setting up the zone, or not running back to defend, or not blocking for a teammate...great.

But yelling at your teammate in December because he ignored your lead in a match sim is selfish.

What you're saying is absolutely correct but I do believe it's something that is very easy to correct. We need the coaches to jump on it and have a chat to him because I'm sure the message is an easy sell.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

I'm still thinking about the Vandermeer reports from training, that he was swearing/yelling at teammates for not passing him the ball. I have a real problem with it, and hope that someone in leadership observed it and is pulling him up on it.

This isn't about driving standards imo. Matty Boyd drove standards and wasn't afraid to tell people they weren't working hard enough etc. But all the examples with Laith have been that the ball didn't get passed to him.

If he's also yelling at blokes not setting up the zone, or not running back to defend, or not blocking for a teammate...great.

But yelling at your teammate in December because he ignored your lead in a match sim is selfish.

Spot on.

My concern isn't so much with Vanders and that type of incident, it's about how leadership deal with/support/nurture it.

We had Baz (self admittedly) sulking most of the season due to not playing in his favourite position. This stuff is going to happen but how do our leaders deal with it?

[Bornadog]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

What you're saying is absolutely correct but I do believe it's something that is very easy to correct. We need the coaches to jump on it and have a chat to him because I'm sure the message is an easy sell.

How many times did it happen? If it was just a couple of times, then no big deal.

[SquirrelGrip]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

Spot on.

My concern isn't so much with Vanders and that type of incident, it's about how leadership deal with/support/nurture it.

We had Baz (self admittedly) sulking most of the season due to not playing in his favourite position. This stuff is going to happen but how do our leaders deal with it?

Is this what Geary might get involved with?

[Grantysghost]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

Peeps give Laith a break #havefaithinlaith

If it was Naughton no one would care.

Sounds like he went a bit over the top, but as I've said in other places I don't mind the intent. Considering it's not something I think LVDM is known for (not like M. Boyd) I wonder if it's a highlighted area of necessary improvement (more on field leadership).
Hopefully he tones it down but still can help with making sure we make good decisions.

[hujsh]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

Peeps give Laith a break #havefaithinlaith

If it was Naughton no one would care.

Sounds like he went a bit over the top, but as I've said in other places I don't mind the intent. Considering it's not something I think LVDM is known for (not like M. Boyd) I wonder if it's a highlighted area of necessary improvement (more on field leadership).
Hopefully he tones it down but still can help with making sure we make good decisions.

I'd care about the same if it was Macrae or Treloar or JJ. Naughton is MAYBE the one exception.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

I'd care about the same if it was Macrae or Treloar or JJ. Naughton is MAYBE the one exception.

Macrae is the VC!

I for one welcome our new LVDM overlord!

[jazzadogs]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

Peeps give Laith a break #havefaithinlaith

If it was Naughton no one would care.

Sounds like he went a bit over the top, but as I've said in other places I don't mind the intent. Considering it's not something I think LVDM is known for (not like M. Boyd) I wonder if it's a highlighted area of necessary improvement (more on field leadership).
Hopefully he tones it down but still can help with making sure we make good decisions.

My question is, does he go just as hard when his teammates ignore another player in the open, or is it only when HE doesn't get the ball that it's a problem?

The answer to that (which I suspect I know) is what indicates the motive behind it - and I think it is all about making HIM better, not about the team.

[Twodogs]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

It's something that good leadership can turn into a positive.

[Jumping Jones]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

Have to say that I can’t see him quite making it to even 50 games with us.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

Have to say that I can’t see him quite making it to even 50 games with us.

Delisted next year I think.

[GVGjr]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

Delisted next year I think.

Contracted to the end of 2025 isn't he? Have we delisted a player in recent years with a year to run on their contract?

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

Contracted to the end of 2025 isn't he? Have we delisted a player in recent years with a year to run on their contract?

Wishful thinking on my part about his contract length apparently. Delisted in two years time.

[Jumping Jones]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Laitham Vandermeer

Or traded for a fourth rounder