Round 11 Dogs vs Lions

[LostDoggy]

Re: Round 11 Dogs vs Lions

I would play Morris on Brennan. Once Brennan gets his tail up he can be dangerous.
Boyd to play on Simon Black.

[hujsh]

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If Brown leads up the ground I'll be very happy, especially with Bradshaw out. That would mean their best 2 forwards are not in the scoring zone.

Brown likes to lead straight or to the 2 o'clock position inside the 50m arc. He will often mark around 40 - 50m in this area meaning he has a fairly straight shot at goal or on a slight angle. This is the space we need to protect because this where Brown does most of his scoring damage. If we can do this it will take him from his comfort zone forcing to either lead wider to the boundary or to the left side which he doesn't seem to like doing.

How we protect that space will be interesting. In the old days the ruckman would drop into the hole. Perhaps we drop a few numbers back into the lead space.

There was a article in the Herald Sun that he leads to that spot so he doesn't collide with Bradshaw who leads the other way.

Maybe with Bradshaw gone he will lead to either side

[Mantis]

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I couldn't care less.

If our oppenents are not at full strength then I will be very happy. All it means is it will make it a little easier to beat them, which means more chance of winning, and getting closer to a top 4 position.

Either do I, but we will continue to get little or no respect from the scribes if we continue to beat supposedly good teams that are not full strengthed.

I suppose it makes no difference, as long as we keep winning the rest will look after itself.

[LostDoggy]

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Whilst only Hawthorn have the better 1 & 2 tall forward combo in the AFL,

Brown and Bradshaw (gun premiership forward combination) are clearly superior to Buddy (inconsistent genius) and Roughhead (good ordinary player).

I picked Brisbane to finish second behind Geelong on the home and away ladder, and while it doesn't seem too likely now, a top four is definitely not out of the question. I think they are a real premiership chance -- every facet of their game is close to top class, with a large chunk of players who have battle hardened bodies, and are very, very consistent. Throw in genuine, match-winning, hard, professional, CONSISTENT gun forwards like Brownie and Bradshaw and you have a potent mix.

I rate them much, much higher than Hawthorn, and I believe that the season will vindicate that view. I will not be surprised to see them in a prelim or grand final, while I think Hawthorn will choke around semi-final time... out in straight sets. Hawthorn's game is not set up to win finals.

You KNOW Brisbane's is. Lethal wouldn't be fluffing around re-inventing the wheel.

[LostDoggy]

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Brown and Bradshaw (gun premiership forward combination) are clearly superior to Buddy (inconsistent genius) and Roughhead (good ordinary player).

Come on now. They are both are a lot better then what you are making out. In an equation B1 and B2 are better then Roughead and Franklin but I might not say that this time next year with another year under the two young guys belts.

[Rocket Science]

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Must also beg to differ re: Roughy. For mine Roughhead's a very high quality footballer in the making and I'd suggest while already a key contributor for the Hawks at both ends, isn't half as valuable as he's going to be in 2-3 years time.

However, agreed the Brown/Bradshaw combo is superior to the young Hawk duo for the time being...what's worse, Bradshaw has had a few blinders against us in days gone by.

Not sure of Bradshaw's hammy situation or Rocket's preferred match-ups but assuming Bradshaw plays, let's hope Lake's knee permits him to lace them up this week also. The prospect of Hargrave v Bradshaw doesn't inspire a lot of confidence, despite Hargy's solid recent form.

Alternately, am quite intrigued by the prospect of Williams v Brown.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Must also beg to differ re: Roughy. For mine Roughhead's a very high quality footballer in the making and I'd suggest while already a key contributor for the Hawks at both ends, isn't half as valuable as he's going to be in 2-3 years time.

However, agreed the Brown/Bradshaw combo is superior to the young Hawk duo for the time being...what's worse, Bradshaw has had a few blinders against us in days gone by.

Not sure of Bradshaw's hammy situation or Rocket's preferred match-ups but assuming Bradshaw plays, let's hope Lake's knee permits him to lace them up this week also. The prospect of Hargrave v Bradshaw doesn't inspire a lot of confidence, despite Hargy's solid recent form.

Alternately, am quite intrigued by the prospect of Williams v Brown.

We have to forget that Shaggy is 190cm. Pretend he's 183cm and give him a job based on that.

[LostDoggy]

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Come on now. They are both are a lot better then what you are making out. In an equation B1 and B2 are better then Roughead and Franklin but I might not say that this time next year with another year under the two young guys belts.

hmm, maybe 'good ordinary player' wasn't quite what I meant... just pointing out that he isn't quite in the class of the other three. For what it's worth, I've got all four of them in my supercoach team.

Roughie is a very good contested mark and dependable kick, but he's (thus far) a one-trick pony without a huge engine. Can definitely be closed out of a game by a good backman. Bradshaw, on the other hand, is a very smart, crafty player who brings a lot more to the game than just his brawn. One out I would be backing Bradshaw, but having said that, like you've pointed out, Jarred has plenty of time to improve.

[LostDoggy]

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We have to forget that Shaggy is 190cm. Pretend he's 183cm and give him a job based on that.

That's it!

Also, forget that he's a defender and pretend he's a wingman. He's wasted down there and keeps forgetting that putting your hand over a bloke's shoulder is a high tackle.

[1eyedog]

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Must also beg to differ re: Roughy. For mine Roughhead's a very high quality footballer in the making and I'd suggest while already a key contributor for the Hawks at both ends, isn't half as valuable as he's going to be in 2-3 years time.

However, agreed the Brown/Bradshaw combo is superior to the young Hawk duo for the time being...what's worse, Bradshaw has had a few blinders against us in days gone by.

Not sure of Bradshaw's hammy situation or Rocket's preferred match-ups but assuming Bradshaw plays, let's hope Lake's knee permits him to lace them up this week also. The prospect of Hargrave v Bradshaw doesn't inspire a lot of confidence, despite Hargy's solid recent form.

Alternately, am quite intrigued by the prospect of Williams v Brown.

Morris will play on him if Lake doesn't come up

[1eyedog]

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Hello all, can anyone please tell me the deal with seating at the G this weekend? I only usually go to the Dome and have my seat there but considering it is a home game do our memberships just get us in and go and find a spot outside the members area or what? Thanks.

[LostDoggy]

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It won't be a full house so there are usually two big blocks of Dogs supporters on the bottom level. Just keep your eye out for the areas. You do not have a 'reserved seat' as such but you get to sit in areas that the general public don't have access to.

[dog town]

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That's it!

Also, forget that he's a defender and pretend he's a wingman. He's wasted down there and keeps forgetting that putting your hand over a bloke's shoulder is a high tackle.

How is he wasted? He has been in our best players 4 of the last 5 weeks and continually nullifes the oppositions best small forwards.

[LostDoggy]

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Propensity to give away unnecessary free kicks when he's already won the contest hurts more closer to goal. Not as much of an issue against softer or inaccurate sides but your Geelongs will exploit this and I would hate to lose a final because of a soft, unnecessary free-kick.

With Everitt and Tim Callan coming back into the side, one could argue Ryan is surplus to requirements down back, but his engine, physicality and speed will be value on the wing -- as you've said, dt, he has been used as a negative element to shut down small forwards, but I think he has the game to hurt sides, and that side of his game is 'wasted' in a primarily negating role.

[LostDoggy]

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Propensity to give away unnecessary free kicks when he's already won the contest hurts more closer to goal. Not as much of an issue against softer or inaccurate sides but your Geelongs will exploit this and I would hate to lose a final because of a soft, unnecessary free-kick.

With Everitt and Tim Callan coming back into the side, one could argue Ryan is surplus to requirements down back, but his engine, physicality and speed will be value on the wing -- as you've said, dt, he has been used as a negative element to shut down small forwards, but I think he has the game to hurt sides, and that side of his game is 'wasted' in a primarily negating role.

Hargrave had a crack on the wing during the pre-season. It wasn't pretty. It's taken him this long to learn how to play half back flank and does seem to be improving each year. I'd rather see Callan, Hill, Higgins, Ray, O'Keefe, Eagleton, Addison, Gilbee, Everitt, Ward on the wing before Shaggy...and i've left out a lot of the obvious guys like Cross, Boyd, Johnson, Akermanis ect ect