Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

[1eyedog]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

Agree with you Axe Man. I'm not Lloyd's biggest fan but he does seem to know where the goals are - a rare trait in our forward line this year. Six score involvements is a significant contribution too (I think match-high was 8?)

Bruce improved over the course of the game to play a handy role in a few scoring chains, and clunk some good contested marks (albeit giving the ball back soon afterwards). In a terrible season for him I think we have to look on the bright side with this game.

Ordinarily I think the MC would look for a few changes after this game, but in the context of now being in the frame for finals if we win the next two, a more settled approach seems likely. One change for me -

Out: Hayes
In: Duryea

What did Hayes do wrong? 9 touches 50% game time. Not sure why he was managed but if he's fit I doubt he will be dropped.

[Axe Man]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

What did Hayes do wrong? 9 touches 50% game time. Not sure why he was managed but if he's fit I doubt he will be dropped.

The 'contest' on the wing where he completely missed the ball and it resulted in a Eagles goal comes to mind. He butchered quite a few of his early touches too. I get the feeling Bevo wasn't happy with his game hence the long sit on the pine. It's shame as I thought he was good against Geelong.

[jeemak]

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What did Hayes do wrong? 9 touches 50% game time. Not sure why he was managed but if he's fit I doubt he will be dropped.

The glaring one for me was his pathetic attempt to force a contest on the JJ exit in the first quarter. They kept getting into JJ for not running hard on the telecast, but Hayes should have done better to impact the contest.

[Happy Days]

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Care to elaborate? Genuine question. I don't feel like subjecting myself to that game again so I'm interested in what you and anyone else think his shortcomings were last night (other than the obvious missed shot).

He burned Wallis in the third quarter trying to kick a dribble goal from the pocket with a Eagles player in the goal square, got caught a few times taking too long to make decisions and was generally pretty poor. I’ve been one to defend him but he was too sloppy last night.

[Happy Days]

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The glaring one for me was his pathetic attempt to force a contest on the JJ exit in the first quarter. They kept getting into JJ for not running hard on the telecast, but Hayes should have done better to impact the contest.

That got a run at TWO quarter breaks, seemingly as an excuse to pot JJ. Feels like there’s some unearned resentment out there for him sometimes.

[GVGjr]

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The 'contest' on the wing where he completely missed the ball and it resulted in a Eagles goal comes to mind. He butchered quite a few of his early touches too. I get the feeling Bevo wasn't happy with his game hence the long sit on the pine. It's shame as I thought he was good against Geelong.

I get why that is right in peoples minds but does he get a little latitude on that because as they called it on the game, JJ should have run the ball out of backline instead of the long and high clearance.
The scarecrow mark attempt by Bruce that he completely missed in the first quarter was an equally frustrating incident

[Bulldog Joe]

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What did Hayes do wrong? 9 touches 50% game time. Not sure why he was managed but if he's fit I doubt he will be dropped.

What I would question is why did he only have 50% game time.

They talked about the Eagles being down a rotation, but we have effectively only used Hayes for 25% more game time. If he was uninjured, he must have done something seriously amiss for it to be determined that we were better without him.

His only chance of being selected in the next match would require him to have had some problem that prevented him continuing and for him to recover from that problem.

[Bornadog]

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What I couldn't quite tell, was who Richards was playing on most of the time. Was Richards going around with Jetta, O'Neill or Ah Chee? None really had much of an impact (nor did Richards).

Not sure who he played on? For a wingman he needs to get more of the ball.

[Axe Man]

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That got a run at TWO quarter breaks, seemingly as an excuse to pot JJ. Feels like there’s some unearned resentment out there for him sometimes.

I get why that is right in peoples minds but does he get a little latitude on that because as they called it on the game, JJ should have run the ball out of backline instead of the long and high clearance.
The scarecrow mark attempt by Bruce that he completely missed in the first quarter was an equally frustrating incident

I'm not sure the decision by JJ has any bearing on Hayes failing to impact that contest. He completely misread a ball he should have at least brought to ground. The one thing overlooked in that piece of play was that I'm fairly sure it was Liam Ryan on JJ's hammer. I think it was understandable that he was one Eagles player he probably shouldn't try and burn off.

[Mofra]

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The 'contest' on the wing where he completely missed the ball and it resulted in a Eagles goal comes to mind. He butchered quite a few of his early touches too. I get the feeling Bevo wasn't happy with his game hence the long sit on the pine. It's shame as I thought he was good against Geelong.

Reminiscent of Schache's last game where he spent a lot of time on the pine.

[Ozza]

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That got a run at TWO quarter breaks, seemingly as an excuse to pot JJ. Feels like there’s some unearned resentment out there for him sometimes.

Most of the time it is from bulldogs supporters...

On the coverage though - that was ridiculous to put up the graphic that he could have run another 15-20 metres - Liam Ryan was already within 6 or 7 metres and is quick so taking a bounce probably isn't an option, and it was deep in defence. JJ is fine to kick long in that situation, and at worst Hayes should have halved the contest.

Hayes finished with 3 effective disposals from his 9. Early in the game he kicked a very low percentage ball from outside 50 into the pocket when the option was to hook it to the top of the square as it was a repeat entry and West Coast weren't as 'set' as they were the previous entry.

[Mantis]

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What I couldn't quite tell, was who Richards was playing on most of the time. Was Richards going around with Jetta, O'Neill or Ah Chee? None really had much of an impact (nor did Richards).

Richards has the rare trait of becoming invisible as you rarely notice him on the field for large parts of the contest.

How he has remained in the side for all games this year is a damn mystery.

[jeemak]

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That got a run at TWO quarter breaks, seemingly as an excuse to pot JJ. Feels like there’s some unearned resentment out there for him sometimes.

Yeah I know, I chalked that up to it laziness on behalf of the broadcaster, but you may be right.

[DOG GOD]

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For mine, as a winger, Hayes just doesn’t get it enough, or do enough. Yes, he’s a gut runner, so for mine, he’s either our defensive mid, where possessions aren’t that important, as long as he stops his opponent, or he doesn’t play at all.

[Missing Dog]

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I think he won 3 or 4 of his 9 possessions in the first 45 seconds of the game.