Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

[mjp]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

I disagree with Bevo's tactics of keeping a young player on the bench for a significant amount of time. How does that help development?

If he is not good enough don't play him the first place or else he has to continue to learn on the field surely.

This is (of course) fair enough but it isn't a development league.

If it's the last quarter of a critical game in the context of the AFL season, surely the coach has the prerogative to make sure the 18 he has on the ground are the 18 he WANTS on the ground. Sometimes you simply lose trust in a player and whilst they are out there you get stressed out about it to the detriment of other more important things.

As long as he was part of a rotation earlier in the game (he was) then what else can he do? Basketball coaches always finish with their so-called 'closing line-up'...maybe last week Hayes wasn't part of that.

Surely this is allowed right??? Surely we trust the coach to develop relationships that can withstand stuff like this???

[kruder]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

This is (of course) fair enough but it isn't a development league.

If it's the last quarter of a critical game in the context of the AFL season, surely the coach has the prerogative to make sure the 18 he has on the ground are the 18 he WANTS on the ground. Sometimes you simply lose trust in a player and whilst they are out there you get stressed out about it to the detriment of other more important things.

As long as he was part of a rotation earlier in the game (he was) then what else can he do? Basketball coaches always finish with their so-called 'closing line-up'...maybe last week Hayes wasn't part of that.

Surely this is allowed right??? Surely we trust the coach to develop relationships that can withstand stuff like this???

If its a critical game why play him in the first place if you don't trust him? What did Bevo learn about Hayes that he didn't know going into the game?

I'm not sure Josh has recovered from being sent back to the car with his mum to get warm before the game has ended. Poor coaching in my world.

[Before I Die]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

If its a critical game why play him in the first place if you don't trust him? What did Bevo learn about Hayes that he didn't know going into the game?

It appears likely he learnt he couldn't trust him when the chips were down in this must win game. Or he may have learnt that he was tight and at too big a risk of injury if he stayed on the field. In either case these were things he didn't or couldn't know before the game. In our case we will likely never know if either of the above is true. What we do know is that whatever the reason, Bevo believed it gave the team the best chance of winning, perhaps at the expense of Hayes' development, perhaps not. Given the importance of the game and the fact that we did win, despite our goal kicking, I'm also fine with the decision.

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

If its a critical game why play him in the first place if you don't trust him? What did Bevo learn about Hayes that he didn't know going into the game?

I'm not sure Josh has recovered from being sent back to the car with his mum to get warm before the game has ended. Poor coaching in my world.

Poor coaching or poor recruitment? I didn't watch the Carlton game, but if a guy can't do what he is supposed to do the way the coach wants him to do it why should the coach continue to invest? Management of a team is about trust. Trusting the performance of players/team members. Josh/Will/Billy/Bailey/Sam/Suckers/Lippa have all been in and out of the team for a reason.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

This is (of course) fair enough but it isn't a development league.

If it's the last quarter of a critical game in the context of the AFL season, surely the coach has the prerogative to make sure the 18 he has on the ground are the 18 he WANTS on the ground. Sometimes you simply lose trust in a player and whilst they are out there you get stressed out about it to the detriment of other more important things.

As long as he was part of a rotation earlier in the game (he was) then what else can he do? Basketball coaches always finish with their so-called 'closing line-up'...maybe last week Hayes wasn't part of that.

Surely this is allowed right??? Surely we trust the coach to develop relationships that can withstand stuff like this???

Agree totally. We are in the "big boys long pants" league. No time for hurt feelings or playing equal minutes for every player. Finals abound.

[MrMahatma]

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If its a critical game why play him in the first place if you don't trust him? What did Bevo learn about Hayes that he didn't know going into the game?

I'm not sure Josh has recovered from being sent back to the car with his mum to get warm before the game has ended. Poor coaching in my world.

We won, didn’t we? We held out in the end. Seems the right guys were out there.

I’d personally much prefer to win than, maybe, develop Hayes a little teeny bit more. It’s the AFL. Results matter.

[Bornadog]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

If its a critical game why play him in the first place if you don't trust him? What did Bevo learn about Hayes that he didn't know going into the game?

I'm not sure Josh has recovered from being sent back to the car with his mum to get warm before the game has ended. Poor coaching in my world.

If he isnot playing well in the game, why should he go back on?

[Axe Man]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

Ross Lyon on Footy Classified last night admitted to subbing a player that wasn't injured in the first half on several occasions. He once subbed Nick Suban out 10 minutes into the second quarter because he wasn't happy with him. Coaches gotta coach.

[comrade]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

Yeah, I don't mind benching a bloke for the quarter if he's not up to it. Must feel like crap for the player though, but it's professional sport and winning is what it's all about.

[mjp]

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If its a critical game why play him in the first place if you don't trust him? What did Bevo learn about Hayes that he didn't know going into the game?

I don't know what he learned. I thought Hayes played well the previous week BUT I don't know what he had been asked to do. Maybe what I saw is what kept him in the team "He did x" but the coach still had a "But he still isn't doing y" misgiving about it...

I 100% agree with your point about player confidence, but to the first line in my post - The AFL is not a development league. If he didn't want Hayes out there then he did the right thing!

[Grantysghost]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

Is anyone surprised that we took away our rotation advantage though? Hayes or not aside, in a tight game I'm surprised we did that.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

As seasons go on, Bevo/MC's unpredictable way become clearer. I am guessing...

In: Lipsinki, Suckers
Out: Hayes, Roarke

[mjp]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

Is anyone surprised that we took away our rotation advantage though? Hayes or not aside, in a tight game I'm surprised we did that.

But it isn't a rotation advantage if one of the players is not playing to the plan...it is a rotation DISadvantage...

You all need to be pulling the same way in a tight game!

[Grantysghost]

Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

But it isn't a rotation advantage if one of the players is not playing to the plan...it is a rotation DISadvantage...

You all need to be pulling the same way in a tight game!

Yeah fair point. You just hear so much about rotations and their importance, and the coaches were pretty vocal against capping them. I found it a little odd. To be honest I didn't even realise until I read it on here he wasnt playing it was too nerve racking.

[Axe Man]

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Yeah fair point. You just hear so much about rotations and their importance, and the coaches were pretty vocal against capping them. I found it a little odd. To be honest I didn't even realise until I read it on here he wasnt playing it was too nerve racking.

I didn't notice Hayes wasn't playing in the same way I didn't notice Richards was playing.