Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

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  • kruder
    Coaching Staff
    • May 2011
    • 3749

    Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

    Originally posted by Grantysghost
    Stoppage wise what do we do to change up the mix to get a better defensive balance?

    I'd be ok with adding more Dunkley and Treloar and less Bontempelli. I think Marcus forward is such a weapon and I like the look of Libba, Macrae, Dunkley Martin.

    Not saying don't have Marcus at stoppages but change the mix a bit. Thoughts? We can talk all want about the defence and forward line but it's clear to me where our major problem lies at the moment.
    Yeah agree, I reckon with Bont its more about him getting just outside the contest, less grunt work rather than him starting forward.

    He never looks like a significant marking threat permanent forward Bont but when you give him space to roam in the so-called striker role look out.

    Treloar and Dunkley love to do things together lets get them in there to do some heavy lifting.

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    • Grantysghost
      Bouncing Strong
      • Apr 2010
      • 18814

      Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

      Originally posted by kruder
      Yeah agree, I reckon with Bont its more about him getting just outside the contest, less grunt work rather than him starting forward.

      He never looks like a significant marking threat permanent forward Bont but when you give him space to roam in the so-called striker role look out.

      Treloar and Dunkley love to do things together lets get them in there to do some heavy lifting.
      Yeah i like that idea.

      Thinking centre bounce Bont forward more and he can push up and be the +1 at times around the stoppages. We need to try something unless we just think it's going to come good on it's own or with Stef back.

      I'd prefer we mix it up.
      BT COME BACK!​

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      • Bornadog
        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
        • Jan 2007
        • 65805

        Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

        Originally posted by Grantysghost
        Yeah i like that idea.

        Thinking centre bounce Bont forward more and he can push up and be the +1 at times around the stoppages. We need to try something unless we just think it's going to come good on it's own or with Stef back.

        I'd prefer we mix it up.
        Bont covers the entire ground, one minute he is in the centre, next he is up forward and then spoiling a mark in the backline.

        I wouldn't change his role too much, just give him more help in the centre.

        Time for Dunks to step up.
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        • Mantis
          Hall of Fame
          • Apr 2007
          • 15271

          Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

          Originally posted by bornadog
          Bont covers the entire ground, one minute he is in the centre, next he is up forward and then spoiling a mark in the backline.

          I wouldn't change his role too much, just give him more help in the centre.

          Time for Dunks to step up
          .
          How do you propose that happens given he isn't seen as one of our first choice mids and attended less than 25% of centre bounce contests on Saturday?

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 65805

            Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

            Originally posted by Mantis
            How do you propose that happens given he isn't seen as one of our first choice mids and attended less than 25% of centre bounce contests on Saturday?
            By attending more centre bounces.
            FFC: Established 1883

            Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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            • Grantysghost
              Bouncing Strong
              • Apr 2010
              • 18814

              Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

              Originally posted by bornadog
              Bont covers the entire ground, one minute he is in the centre, next he is up forward and then spoiling a mark in the backline.

              I wouldn't change his role too much, just give him more help in the centre.

              Time for Dunks to step up.
              It's a tenuous theory im running here for sure. He just looked like he was trying to do everything himself last week and maybe it's a way to put the onus on others. I'm certainly not saying take him out of there for large periods. Just change the mix.

              This was the centre bounce attendances v Hawks :

              15 - Liberatore
              12 - Bontempelli, English, Macrae
              7 - Smith
              6 - Young
              5 - Dunkley
              2 - Daniel, Treloar

              If it was Dunks 8 Bont 7 something like that. I don't know to be honest really. I think though we get this right we are a big show and it's our main issue atm.

              Treloar has to come in more too I think I'd drop down Baz for him.
              BT COME BACK!​

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              • Axe Man
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2008
                • 10956

                Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

                Originally posted by bornadog
                By attending more centre bounces.
                I can think of one role in the centre bounce that needs filling...

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                • Mantis
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 15271

                  Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  By attending more centre bounces.
                  At who's expense? You obviously want Bont in there so is it Libba or Macrae who spends more time in another role?

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                  • Axe Man
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 10956

                    Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

                    Originally posted by Grantysghost
                    It's a tenuous theory im running here for sure. He just looked like he was trying to do everything himself last week and maybe it's a way to put the onous on others. I'm certainly not saying take him out of there for large periods. Just change the mix.

                    This was the centre bounce attendances v Hawks :

                    15 - Liberatore
                    12 - Bontempelli, English, Macrae
                    7 - Smith
                    6 - Young
                    5 - Dunkley
                    2 - Daniel, Treloar

                    If it was Dunks 8 Bont 7 something like that. I don't know to be honest really. I think though we get this right we are a big show and it's our main issue atm.

                    Treloar has to come in more too I think.
                    It's actually a different mix to what we were mostly running when Trunkley was out. Most weeks were going with a really limited rotation outside Bont, Macrae and Libba. It was mostly working but was also probably unsustainable. Seems now we are struggling to find the right mix.

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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 65805

                      Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      At who's expense? You obviously want Bont in there so is it Libba or Macrae who spends more time in another role?
                      Smith

                      Against Hawks:

                      Player Fantasy TOG CBA CBA%
                      Tom Liberatore 111 77% 14 78%
                      Tim English 68 85% 12 67%
                      Marcus Bontempelli 99 82% 12 67%
                      Jack Macrae 128 82% 12 67%
                      Bailey Smith 67 84% 7 39%
                      Lewis Young 58 89% 6 33%
                      Josh Dunkley 51 86% 5 28%
                      Caleb Daniel 96 81% 2 11%
                      Adam Treloar 56 73% 2 11%
                      FFC: Established 1883

                      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                      • Mantis
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 15271

                        Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

                        Originally posted by bornadog
                        Smith

                        Against Hawks:

                        Player Fantasy TOG CBA CBA%
                        Tom Liberatore 111 77% 14 78%
                        Tim English 68 85% 12 67%
                        Marcus Bontempelli 99 82% 12 67%
                        Jack Macrae 128 82% 12 67%
                        Bailey Smith 67 84% 7 39%
                        Lewis Young 58 89% 6 33%
                        Josh Dunkley 51 86% 5 28%
                        Caleb Daniel 96 81% 2 11%
                        Adam Treloar 56 73% 2 11%
                        I know who was in there, but that doesn't solve our problem.

                        One of our main midfielders (Bont, Libba or Macrae) needs to spend more time outside the centre square in order for Dunks to spend more time in there.. it's that simple.

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                        • Grantysghost
                          Bouncing Strong
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 18814

                          Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          Smith

                          Against Hawks:

                          Player Fantasy TOG CBA CBA%
                          Tom Liberatore 111 77% 14 78%
                          Tim English 68 85% 12 67%
                          Marcus Bontempelli 99 82% 12 67%
                          Jack Macrae 128 82% 12 67%
                          Bailey Smith 67 84% 7 39%
                          Lewis Young 58 89% 6 33%
                          Josh Dunkley 51 86% 5 28%
                          Caleb Daniel 96 81% 2 11%
                          Adam Treloar 56 73% 2 11%
                          Would you get Treloar in there more as well? Or just break glass if needed. I recall the Eagles game first time around and Treloar came in to the mix for the last quarter and really added a different element. I mean he's done it to a very high level for a very long time.
                          BT COME BACK!​

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                          • Mantis
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 15271

                            Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

                            Originally posted by Grantysghost
                            Would you get Treloar in there more as well? Or just break glass if needed. I recall the Eagles game first time around and Treloar came in to the mix for the last quarter and really added a different element.
                            The issue is we have too many players we need to get into the middle who suck in other roles.

                            Bont is our best mid, but is also the best at playing another role as required... the rest aren't so adaptable and given they all don't defend if we don't get the game played on our terms we get opened up.

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                            • Rocco Jones
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 6923

                              Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

                              I forgot Roarke. I would have him there running with Amon.

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                              • Jeanette54
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 1233

                                Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 Vs Port Adelaide 2021

                                Originally posted by Mantis
                                Give me strength!
                                Have you forgotten our first goal in the 2016 Grand Final ? Forward defensive efforts pay off.
                                The truth will set you free,
                                but first it will piss you off. ... Gloria Steinem.

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