WB Game Day V Melbourne R1 2022

[FrediKanoute]

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Didn't watch the game, but saw the goal chart and the way the scores moved........you could overlay the GF map with this one.

[whythelongface]

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Let’s look at the positive. It has been a 50 point turnaround since we last played them. Next game we should beat them by 24

[jeemak]

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Too many players down on form (well, didn't show up given you can't really have form in round one), and too many with suspect skills if it's not going their way.

Disappointing to lose to Melbourne, because they really are a pack of *!*!*!*!wits.

[DOG GOD]

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15 mins of team work band aid some concerns.
Slow mids
Non existent forward line
Can’t hold tackles
Poor decisions and skills
Schache/Cordy in the fwd 50. God help us.

[divvydan]

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Libba playing almost exclusively forward isn't going to work long term. He needs to be in the middle. On that point, our roaming fwd position has major issues. Libba/VDM/Hunter all struggled, Hannan and Weightman missing for long periods as well. The Schache/Cordy combo combined for almost nothing. Credit to Baz for all his tackling tonight, really a standout feature in a game with low tackling numbers.

Trac clearly a level above everyone tonight. Winning it in tight, so much ball going through him in transitions, really cementing his place as one of the top players in the competition.

[Boots]

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A frustrating game.

Melbourne did exactly the same thing to us that they did in game 1 last year: close off the corridor. We didn’t see it coming and we played straight into it. Our best players - mids - were thus out of it all through q1 as a result and somehow it took Bevo to point it out at quarter time? Why didn’t the players adapt? Why didn’t the message get out onto the field? We know how to beat this.

We then did exactly what we should have done since the first bounce and applied pressure with predictable results: Melbourne wilted. Then Goodwin pushed back by shifting to run and carry and we got confused and they went back to denying the corridor, and we finished like we started, like stunned mullets.

Do we have a system? We have structure, sure, but what’s our system? I remember bevo saying the tigers saw what we did in 2016 and perfected it. They, like Melbourne, had discipline, role players, and a SYSTEM that tied it all together. If the tigers have done it, why haven’t we?

What really bugs me about this sort of performance is it shows we aren’t able to push the game onto our own terms against good teams for long enough to win. Melbourne are in danger of becoming another Geelong, a team we never beat and who always find another way to get around us.

I know I’m just frustrated and I let Bayley Fritsch’s excruciating face and Christian Petracca’s overweening arrogance get to me. it’s round one and a long way to go. A lot will change in our game and theirs. But these are old problems. We just never seem to string it together for sustained periods (outside of two brilliant finals series, but that’s not the sort of sustained I mean) and I wish we could. Goodwin knew he’d done it, he’s turned the team around before round 1 last year and Melbourne have had a quiet confidence since then, and we’re still flipping a coin before games to decide whether we’re on or not.

What will it take for the Dogs to find consistency?

[merantau]

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Not a lot of positives to take away from this game. We kicked straight for once. We made them look second rate by kicking 8 unanswered goals. Richards was solid. Crozier good in the first half. English competed well - not disgraced against two genuine ruckmen. Naughton was excellent in the contest - played a lone hand really. Daniel used the ball and tried to creat but he was watched very closely.

We made a lot of errors. We gave away needless 50mt penalties. We were beaten badly around the stoppages and missed Bont badly. In the last quarter alone Vanders butchered a ball to Libba. Bailey Smith butchered two inside 50 kicks in quick succession. The Bailey Willams turn over was a shocker. I could go on but I won't. The reality is they were 8 goals better than us on the night.

It is a big concern to me that we kick the first two goals in the last, get within four points and give ourselves a real sniff and then - we fold. That's a big worry. We need to address that fast.

[Boots]

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We made a lot of errors. We gave away needless 50mt penalties. We were beaten badly around the stoppages and missed Bont badly.

The commentators remarked that our guys were pulling back 5m from the mark to give themselves space to move rather than being forced to stand and the umps gave two penalties for that. Stupid cute bevo grudge move that gifted Gawn and Jackson a goal apiece.

The horror of Bont going down the race. Just too much to hear.

[Go_Dogs]

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A frustrating game.

Melbourne did exactly the same thing to us that they did in game 1 last year: close off the corridor. We didn’t see it coming and we played straight into it. Our best players - mids - were thus out of it all through q1 as a result and somehow it took Bevo to point it out at quarter time? Why didn’t the players adapt? Why didn’t the message get out onto the field? We know how to beat this.

We then did exactly what we should have done since the first bounce and applied pressure with predictable results: Melbourne wilted. Then Goodwin pushed back by shifting to run and carry and we got confused and they went back to denying the corridor, and we finished like we started, like stunned mullets.

Do we have a system? We have structure, sure, but what’s our system? I remember bevo saying the tigers saw what we did in 2016 and perfected it. They, like Melbourne, had discipline, role players, and a SYSTEM that tied it all together. If the tigers have done it, why haven’t we?

What really bugs me about this sort of performance is it shows we aren’t able to push the game onto our own terms against good teams for long enough to win. Melbourne are in danger of becoming another Geelong, a team we never beat and who always find another way to get around us.

I know I’m just frustrated and I let Bayley Fritsch’s excruciating face and Christian Petracca’s overweening arrogance get to me. it’s round one and a long way to go. A lot will change in our game and theirs. But these are old problems. We just never seem to string it together for sustained periods (outside of two brilliant finals series, but that’s not the sort of sustained I mean) and I wish we could. Goodwin knew he’d done it, he’s turned the team around before round 1 last year and Melbourne have had a quiet confidence since then, and we’re still flipping a coin before games to decide whether we’re on or not.

What will it take for the Dogs to find consistency?

Good post.

You can see we’ve made a few changes with our defensive structure over the off season. To a man we tried to play back 5m off the mark, creating an extra in the zone to close down space which worked well when we were able to take pace off their ball movement.

Moving forward we looked at our best when we went quickly, used the switch and then we’re able to get a 1:1 or kick to space for players to lead up / run back onto the ball. When we slowed it down and had to play behind the mark we didn’t look capable of pulling off the type of kick to open it up and need to do more to create overlap and play on. Sometimes this gets us in trouble, but we need to be a risk / reward team as our skills and leg speed aren’t enough against some of the best teams.

[Bornadog]

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The commentators remarked that our guys were pulling back 5m from the mark to give themselves space to move rather than being forced to stand and the umps gave two penalties for that. Stupid cute bevo grudge move that gifted Gawn and Jackson a goal apiece.

The horror of Bont going down the race. Just too much to hear.

They were Bullshit 50m, as the rule is, if you are standing on the mark you stay still, but if you move away from the mark and choose not stand then it is not a penalty. I thought it was a great tactic as the Melbourne players got no advantage of running around a player and gaining meterage.

[merantau]

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Trying to gainsay the umpires is fraught with danger. I think most supporters would vote the the stand rule is a blight on the game.

[Bornadog]

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Good post.

You can see we’ve made a few changes with our defensive structure over the off season. To a man we tried to play back 5m off the mark, creating an extra in the zone to close down space which worked well when we were able to take pace off their ball movement.

Moving forward we looked at our best when we went quickly, used the switch and then we’re able to get a 1:1 or kick to space for players to lead up / run back onto the ball. When we slowed it down and had to play behind the mark we didn’t look capable of pulling off the type of kick to open it up and need to do more to create overlap and play on. Sometimes this gets us in trouble, but we need to be a risk / reward team as our skills and leg speed aren’t enough against some of the best teams.

The trouble was we made stupid errors going forward and turned the ball over. Three times Williams made errors that resulted in goals, twice trying to do too much and getting caught and the one in the last where Schache was on his own on the wing, but he tried to be too cute by centrering a risky pass, that went straight to a Melbourne player and the goaled. There was only 10 points in it at that point

[merantau]

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They were Bullshit 50m, as the rule is, if you are standing on the mark you stay still, but if you move away from the mark and choose not stand then it is not a penalty. I thought it was a great tactic as the Melbourne players got no advantage of running around a player and gaining meterage.

Yeah, but if you stand 5mt back you're giving them metreage surely. As long as the player runs straight at the man on the mark the umpire won't call play on until he reaches the mark. Or am I missing something here.?

[Boots]

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Trying to gainsay the umpires is fraught with danger. I think most supporters would vote the the stand rule is a blight on the game.

stand rule is utter tripe. They should just, I dunno, put a coloured post in the interchange bench and if you are on the mark you have to run and touch the post and if you can get back before they kick it then good for you you can do whatever. I’m so sick of watching players deviate from the line and the ump having to call play on. Any rule a player can’t adjudicate is a bad rule.

Which brings me to the HTB rule. Did anyone notice any change at all?

[kruder]

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Bevo has just lost the plot at the presser wow.