Always Right Match Committee Round Two v Carlton at Marvel

[Bornadog]

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I'm not sure I need reminding how bad Cordy was... he is totally unsuitable to the role he was selected for and the MC got it completely wrong.

Sweet is no doubt a better ruckman than Cordy, but given he may only spend 6-8min a qtr in this role he needs to be a threat in the forward line... and I'm not sure he can be.

Who goes 2nd ruck then? Schache?

[Danjul]

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Agree, however, we also need a second ruck, and that is why I suggested Sweet instead of Cordy. Surely he can't be as bad as Cordy in the Forward/ruck role.

Cordy last week:

3 Disposals, 1 hitout and 1 goal assist

Agreed.

Sweet only needs to consistently get 7 disposals, 1 goal and 5 hitouts to be an improvement in that forward line.

( I settled on those figures because they are better than most of Bruce’s games from 2019. And being left in place for the whole season allowed him to develop into a very important contributor to the team’s success last year.)

We need someone who can contribute in both the ruck and forward line - desperately! Using others in the ruck just puts them off their natural game.

[Rocco Jones]

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Agreed.

Sweet only needs to consistently get 7 disposals, 1 goal and 5 hitouts to be an improvement in that forward line.

( I settled on those figures because they are better than most of Bruce’s games from 2019. And being left in place for the whole season allowed him to develop into a very important contributor to the team’s success last year.)

We need someone who can contribute in both the ruck and forward line - desperately! Using others in the ruck just puts them off their natural game.

The problem as I see it isn't so much a minimal stats count, it is what they are doing when they don't have the ball.

[Mofra]

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The problem as I see it isn't so much a minimal stats count, it is what they are doing when they don't have the ball.

True, as we need our players to run hard to cut off the exit kicks (VDM is very good at this).

It's hard to pick up on the TV but was Cordy doing this? At least we know Hannan blocks and tries to get Naughton a leading/jumping lane most weeks.

[Bornadog]

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True, as we need our players to run hard to cut off the exit kicks (VDM is very good at this).

It's hard to pick up on the TV but was Cordy doing this? At least we know Hannan blocks and tries to get Naughton a leading/jumping lane most weeks.

Didn't notice that at all

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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If Macrae kicked more goals it would offer us another avenue in our forward line.
If he practised goal kicking, set shots and snapping he could be a greater forward asset. He has the ability to lead and mark, is good overhead, strong and tall.
I would love him to get a taste for a goal and is clearly a skill his career should develop.

[Before I Die]

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Who goes 2nd ruck then? Schache?

I think forward/2nd ruck is the only chance Schache has left. English is clearly the No. 1 ruckman moving forward and has the potential to be an absolute champion. All other ruckman at the club are now back-ups. Schache can’t win a contest, either in the air or on the ground, but is very creative/dangerous with the ball in space or near goal.

I’d drop Cordy and bring in O’Brien. Move Marra into the 22 and start one of Williams, VDM or Roarke as the medical sub.

[Danjul]

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The problem as I see it isn't so much a minimal stats count, it is what they are doing when they don't have the ball.

It’s also what they are doing when they get the ball.

I think it was 80 turnovers against Melbourne. A record? And the forward 50 entries result in a score only 30% of the time. (Melbourne aims for 50%. That’s why they didn’t handball much in the forward line, each player has a responsibility to score.)

[Danjul]

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I think forward/2nd ruck is the only chance Schache has left. English is clearly the No. 1 ruckman moving forward and has the potential to be an absolute champion. All other ruckman at the club are now back-ups. Schache can’t win a contest, either in the air or on the ground, but is very creative/dangerous with the ball in space or near goal.

I’d drop Cordy and bring in O’Brien. Move Marra into the 22 and start one of Williams, VDM or Roarke as the medical sub.

I don’t want to ever see Schache in the ruck. Use his strengths,not his weaknesses.

He is an excellent lead and kick. So put him where he can lead a backman away from Naughton and kick some nice long goals.

Poor bloke doesn’t know whether he is coming or going. Forward line, backline, ruck, wing. Give him one job and give him a season to settle into it.

For the record, he has kicked almost as many goals per game as Naughton and Weightman - and nobody is going to muck about with their roles. And we certainly need some stability in the forward zone.

We have a support ruckman and third tall forward. And that was the structure that worked well last year.

[Grantysghost]

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I don’t want to ever see Schache in the ruck. Use his strengths,not his weaknesses.

He is an excellent lead and kick. So put him where he can lead a backman away from Naughton and kick some nice long goals.

Poor bloke doesn’t know whether he is coming or going. Forward line, backline, ruck, wing. Give him one job and give him a season to settle into it.

For the record, he has kicked almost as many goals per game as Naughton and Weightman - and nobody is going to muck about with their roles. And we certainly need some stability in the forward zone.

We have a support ruckman and third tall forward. And that was the structure that worked well last year.

Yeah but he sucks though right?

Needs to spend some time with our Ellie Blackburn to level up his intensity.

[Danjul]

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Yeah but he sucks though right?

Needs to spend some time with our Ellie Blackburn to level up his intensity.

In the last 10 games in 2019 he kicked goals in every game except the one where he got concussion. His play was excellent.

At the moment he has three problems. Not confident above his head, nobody in the team knows who he is and the coach hasn’t worked out where a reliable goal kicker should play. I should say four, he has no confidence.

[Grantysghost]

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In the last 10 games in 2019 he kicked goals in every game except the one where he got concussion. His play was excellent.

At the moment he has three problems. Not confident above his head, nobody in the team knows who he is and the coach hasn’t worked out where a reliable goal kicker should play. I should say four, he has no confidence.

I'm not sure about him Danj. I was being facetious above but he really looked like a rabbit in the headlights the other night.
Agree some consistency of positioning would probably help him but for some reason Bevo bookmarks some players to be swing men and their papers get stamped.

[Danjul]

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I'm not sure about him Danj. I was being facetious above but he really looked like a rabbit in the headlights the other night.
Agree some consistency of positioning would probably help him but for some reason Bevo bookmarks some players to be swing men and their papers get stamped.

I have no confidence in his future. He was our best goal scorer at the end of 2019. And the following year he couldn’t get a game. Very strange, and ongoing.

[Before I Die]

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I have no confidence in his future. He was our best goal scorer at the end of 2019. And the following year he couldn’t get a game. Very strange, and ongoing.

It’s not strange at all. Mitch and Billy suffered the same fate and for the same reason. It’s not about how many goals a player kicks, it’s about how they contribute to the team winning. For mine, if Josh doesn’t provide the ruck back-up, he doesn’t play. He has failed as a forward and now failed as a back. In 2023 he will likely have Naughton, Bruce, Marra and Darcy ahead of him as tall forwards. Forward ruck is his last roll of the dice at the Dogs.

I’d be just as happy to leave Cordy in over Josh, but part of me still hopes he can find something.

[Grantysghost]

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Looks like Walsh has made a miraculous recovery and is a chance to play Thursday.