Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

[MrMahatma]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

If Schache had the intensity of a Cordy/Gardner/Scott/Rourke etc he'd be playing.

He just doesn't go in hard enough for Bevo to like, it's a non negotiable in this team.

I know he looks laconic and chill, but where are the specific examples of him “not having intensity”? Cause I have a specific example of Scott missing from 30m out, right in front and that’s ok?

I’m torn on Schache. I want him to make it and don’t really understand why he hasn’t. I’d be more in the “he’s judged harsher than others” camp than not though.

[Grantysghost]

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I know he looks laconic and chill, but where are the specific examples of him “not having intensity”? Cause I have a specific example of Scott missing from 30m out, right in front and that’s ok?

I’m torn on Schache. I want him to make it and don’t really understand why he hasn’t. I’d be more in the “he’s judged harsher than others” camp than not though.

Hes been in two pretty successful systems and had access to a myriad of incredible coaches and resources for the last 6 seasons and was traded by one, and is playing VFL at the other.

Maybe some of the responsibility sits with the player?

I can’t believe internally he isn’t being given every opportunity to succeed; he would be a massive asset if he became the player recruiters thought he was going to be.

I can’t see how you could watch his performance in round one and not come to the conclusion he needed to spend some further time in the development league.

He wasn’t setting the world on fire in the pre season games either so it was probably a bigger sample size than we think.

I get your point but I just don’t think he is being treated that harshly, I mean he just played in a GF.

[Mofra]

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I’m torn on Schache. I want him to make it and don’t really understand why he hasn’t. I’d be more in the “he’s judged harsher than others” camp than not though.

1 - The gap between his best and worst is enormous. He's be playing yesterday if he could close that gap. He has outstanding endurance and (normally) good field kicking skills, although it wasn't on display at AFL level this year.

2 - He has little acceleration meaning as a forward he's often attempting to mark under pressure, and he's not an elite contested mark. Most tall forwards these days have the ability to separate from their opponent.
As a backman he still has to learn to cut the angles a little better as you can hide a lack of pace as a backman if you're clever enough - see Weitering or Sam Collins

[Danjul]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

You wrote a small novel about how Schache was unjustly dropped when he was injured. You then completely ignore that fact to nitpick something else. We get it, you think Schache has been hard done by. That’s fine but surely you have made your point by now?

I think you are correct but I have a problem with my iPad. Every time I start a word with ’S’ it automatically puts in Schache.

[Grantysghost]

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I think you are correct but I have a problem with my iPad. Every time I start a word with ’S’ it automatically puts in Schache.

Haha.

I'm starting to think you might be Josh!

[azabob]

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Do we need major personnel changes or do we back the current players in?
Bevo traditionally backs the players in, but can we afford to wait?
Are the team and or certain players having a GF hangover?

2&2 I can live with, 1&3 is so disappointing.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Do we need major personnel changes or do we back the current players in?
Bevo traditionally backs the players in, but can we afford to wait?
Are the team and or certain players having a GF hangover?

2&2 I can live with, 1&3 is so disappointing.

It's got 2017 feels doesn't it.

I don't think we have any choice but to back them in. Injury to Keath is a real blow and exposes how sparse the key defensive stocks are.

We have a decent run of winnable games coming up so hopefully we can get things back on track.

If we struggle against North then l will really be worried about this group.

[Mofra]

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It's got 2017 feels doesn't it.

I don't think we have any choice but to back them in. Injury to Keath is a real blow and exposes how sparse the key defensive stocks are.

We have a decent run of winnable games coming up so hopefully we can get things back on track.

If we struggle against North then l will really be worried about this group.

This game has "dominate everywhere but the scoreboard" written all over it.

It projects as an uninspiring 14 point win that pleases neither set of fans.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

This game has "dominate everywhere but the scoreboard" written all over it.

It projects as an uninspiring 14 point win that pleases neither set of fans.

Well said. Listening to our games on the radio is Bulldogs pass it here and there, only for it to end in a point, over and over again.
If Naughton keeps getting the ball inside 50 he is going to be a liability.

If this is the attitude and plan Bevo has, we are stuffed.

"Beveridge said all the coaching group could do was stay positive and encourage his players moving forward.

“It snowballed out of control tonight, so it‘s not going to get any better if I get the whip out and come down hard on them for skill errors. They’re not trying to make them. They’re disappointed themselves that they’re not executing to the level they’d like,” he said.

“So I just have to support them and encourage them and say that it’ll come and we’ve got to keep training with good standards to improve. It‘s probably as extreme as it’s been in our time together, the last couple of weeks.

Staying positive will not help fundamental skill errors unless they are ironed out. It's not a case of coming down hard. It's a case of being scientific about it. These comments frustrate the %$$ out of me.

If you have 3 key leaders with fundamental ball-drop or other errors the rest of the group will think it's ok to keep going.

[azabob]

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It's got 2017 feels doesn't it.

I don't think we have any choice but to back them in. Injury to Keath is a real blow and exposes how sparse the key defensive stocks are.

We have a decent run of winnable games coming up so hopefully we can get things back on track.

If we struggle against North then l will really be worried about this group.

2017 vibes big time.

Funnily enough the back half doesn’t worry me.

My big issues are our midfield group and our forward line.

[Bornadog]

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2017 vibes big time.

Funnily enough the back half doesn’t worry me.

My big issues are our midfield group and our forward line.

2017 we started with 3-1 before huge injuries hit us. I don't believe it is the same vibe.

[Grantysghost]

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2017 we started with 3-1 before huge injuries hit us. I don't believe it is the same vibe.

More re post GF slide for me.

I get at Rd 4 we weren't thinking that but we know what happened so can relate to that season as a whole.

Not sure it was just injuries.

[Sedat]

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More re post GF slide for me.

I get at Rd 4 we weren't thinking that but we know what happened so can relate to that season as a whole.

Not sure it was just injuries.

Maybe we are playing exactly to talent level, and that 2021 (the season as a whole and specifically the finals series) was an outlier. Since 2017 we have either been lower table or mid-table/bottom half of the top 8 at best - that's a pretty decent sample size to have never been top 4. I'm as guilty as anyone else of over-rating our list and players - if we're being honest, they haven't really delivered on a consistent basis for over 5 years now. It's a credit to players and coaches that we can excel at very important moments in season (2016 and 2021 finals series, late in season 2019 and 2020 to make finals), and that we got oh so close to pinching 2 flags in 6 seasons without ever being a consistent top 4 team or having a balanced list build.

[Grantysghost]

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Maybe we are playing exactly to talent level, and that 2021 (the season as a whole and specifically the finals series) was an outlier. Since 2017 we have either been lower table or mid-table/bottom half of the top 8 at best - that's a pretty decent sample size to have never been top 4. I'm as guilty as anyone else of over-rating our list and players - if we're being honest, they haven't really delivered on a consistent basis for over 5 years now. It's a credit to players and coaches that we can excel at very important moments in season (2016 and 2021 finals series, late in season 2019 and 2020 to make finals), and that we got oh so close to pinching 2 flags in 6 seasons without ever being a consistent top 4 team or having a balanced list build.

I think you've nailed it Sedat on the whole.

I would have expected natural improvement from that very young list (that was the get out of jail card for a few seasons) to take us the next step, and although we are seeing it individually (English, Smith, Naughton) our list doesn't seem to be strong enough to leverage those gains.

[Bornadog]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Maybe we are playing exactly to talent level, and that 2021 (the season as a whole and specifically the finals series) was an outlier. Since 2017 we have either been lower table or mid-table/bottom half of the top 8 at best - that's a pretty decent sample size to have never been top 4. I'm as guilty as anyone else of over-rating our list and players - if we're being honest, they haven't really delivered on a consistent basis for over 5 years now. It's a credit to players and coaches that we can excel at very important moments in season (2016 and 2021 finals series, late in season 2019 and 2020 to make finals), and that we got oh so close to pinching 2 flags in 6 seasons without ever being a consistent top 4 team or having a balanced list build.

All true, but, 2021 we were top or second for almost every round till the last couple of games, and missed top 4 by losing to Port by two points, and then % to Brisbane by .43%