Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

[MrMahatma]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Playing him at CHB in the VFL will help us for the future as a backup. I think this is his best opportunity. He has failed as a forward and doesnot compliment Naughton like Bruce does.

Didn’t we play best last year with 3 tall forwards?
Why not go back to that. Naughton, Marra, Schache. Josh can give Tim a chop out in the ruck when needed. He definitely doesn’t get much leeway at the selection table.

There must be a team rule of “always look interested no matter what” that he breaks. And not a rule of “kick goals not points”

[Danjul]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Playing him at CHB in the VFL will help us for the future as a backup. I think this is his best opportunity. He has failed as a forward and doesnot compliment Naughton like Bruce does.

Bruce isn’t and won’t be complimenting Naughton. It’s now the forward line is a farce.

I don’t agree that Schache has failed as a forward. He has consistently maintained an excellent goal return. By my reckoning he has had 5 very bad games and they have become 95% of his reputation. Take any block of 5 games and his actual return is hard to beat.

In 2018 he had a bad game after a match winning performance against Hawthorn (I was there behind the goals) and was dumped for half the season. Wow!

In the games against Carlton and Richmond he sat on the bench for 40+% of the game as public punishment while the rest of the team capitulated. In both games the rest of the team kicked 2 goals after halftime. What do we remember about those games? Simply Schache made a bad mistake. Not that the team failed. While Schache sat on the bench in one of them the team gave up the lead and kicked 2 goals to 9 goals.

In 2019 Schache kicked more than 2 goals in 35% of his games. Naughton did it in19% , Dixon and Lloyd did it in 18%. Please point out another current forward who gets close to that. His reward was to sit out 2020 and watch Bruce give the worst display of forward craft in the club’s history.

Don’t get me wrong. I couldn’t care less if Schache never gets another game. He has some great memories and it’s the club’s loss that he doesn’t have more. And I appreciate Bruce getting us into the finals last year, even though the team team’s lack of goal kicking ability once he was injured cost them a top 4 position and probably the premiership as a result.

[Danjul]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

That is good analysis and is insightful. He has been the fall guy a few times after a bad loss (i.e. Richmond last year). It did feel like he cemented a position in the team towards the end of last season. We absolutely need him to stand up and deliver his best if called upon.

My limited knowledge of psychology says that he is suffering from PTSD and should not be subjected to revisiting the scene of his repeated humiliation. He should relax and play out his time in the VFL and then go and get a real job.

[chef]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Can we afford to play 2 players who add very little offensively in the same area of the ground? Especially when they aren't amazing 1 on 1 defenders.

I guess the way I see it Cordy is replacing Keath. So we normally do have 2 defenders who are not very offensive. TOB probably isn't going to be a lock down defender and more a floater(kind of like Lever) with his marking ability and running capability.

[Mofra]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Yeah adding Casboult into a team that kicked 7.19 seems like a great idea.

Are you judging him on reputation, or on what he actually does?
He's kicked 8 goals 4 this year - more accurate than our forwards.

Since he worked with Anthony Rocca circa 2018 or 2019 he's become a far more reliable kick.

Then there's the ability to chop out in the ruck - I'd much prefer Casboult doing it than Dunkley or the Bont.

I do think it's a real problem when assessing players that once they get a reputation, they are tainted with that regardless of their output. Casboult with be in our best 22 right now.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Bruce isn’t and won’t be complimenting Naughton. It’s now the forward line is a farce.

I don’t agree that Schache has failed as a forward. He has consistently maintained an excellent goal return. By my reckoning he has had 5 very bad games and they have become 95% of his reputation. Take any block of 5 games and his actual return is hard to beat.

In 2018 he had a bad game after a match winning performance against Hawthorn (I was there behind the goals) and was dumped for half the season. Wow!

In the games against Carlton and Richmond he sat on the bench for 40+% of the game as public punishment while the rest of the team capitulated. In both games the rest of the team kicked 2 goals after halftime. What do we remember about those games? Simply Schache made a bad mistake. Not that the team failed. While Schache sat on the bench in one of them the team gave up the lead and kicked 2 goals to 9 goals.

In 2019 Schache kicked more than 2 goals in 35% of his games. Naughton did it in19% , Dixon and Lloyd did it in 18%. Please point out another current forward who gets close to that. His reward was to sit out 2020 and watch Bruce give the worst display of forward craft in the club’s history.

Don’t get me wrong. I couldn’t care less if Schache never gets another game. He has some great memories and it’s the club’s loss that he doesn’t have more. And I appreciate Bruce getting us into the finals last year, even though the team team’s lack of goal kicking ability once he was injured cost them a top 4 position and probably the premiership as a result.

This I don't believe.

[Danjul]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

This I don't believe.

This is true. After costing us the 2021 premiership he is a liability whose negative influence goes well beyond his time on the ground. The club will never face reality while it can immediately say - we’ll, Schache would be worse.

[Jeanette54]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

One of match committee's biggest, and most frustrating problems, is the lack of real options to cover our current losses in our senior personnel. Quite simply nobody in the VFL is apparently putting their hand up and demanding to be selected (on form) for any of our problem spots. This is also taking any performance pressure for positions off the current AFL selected team.

Add to that our cupboard is essentially bare when it comes to replacing our current "problem spots", ie. KPD, KPF and 2nd ruck.

The way I see it, this is not a selection committee problem, it is a failure of long term planning; and not fixable in the short term. I think we are in for a long, dismal season. Our magicians hat is certainly bereft of rabbits, so I am not expecting miracles anytime soon.

[mjp]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Quite simply nobody in the VFL is apparently putting their hand up and demanding to be selected (on form) for any of our problem spots.

To be fair, we don't actually know what they're being asked to do.

[azabob]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Perhaps something like this against North.

Backs: Duryea Gardner Richards
HBack: Dale O'Brien Daniel
Centre: Hunter Dunkley Treloar
HForw: B.Smith Ugle-Hagan Liberatore
Forward: Weightman Naughton, Schache
Rucks: English Bontempelli Macrae
InterC: McNeil, Williams, Hannan, West

Out: Vandermeer, Scott, Butler

I like this team, but I’d also bring in Cordy for a small.

IMO regardless of the opposition we need to play three key defenders and three key forwards.

2 lock down defenders and one key defender as the intercepter.
2 key forwards and one key forward to ruck when English is resting.

Forget the names we need to get back to basics and set up structurally what gives us the best chance of winning games.

[Danjul]

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To be fair, we don't actually know what they're being asked to do.

Yes we do. Woof personnel figured it out- they are doing KPIs. And next year they might do kicking skills.

[Bornadog]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Quite simply nobody in the VFL is apparently putting their hand up and demanding to be selected (on form) for any of our problem spots.

I think a few put up their hand on Saturday.

Read here the VFL summary by player

Players in contention are:

* Crozier
* Martin
*Schache
* Garcia

Cody Raak also played well

[Mantis]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Yes we do. Woof personnel figured it out- they are doing KPIs. And next year they might do kicking skills.

Is there an actual point to this post?

[Happy Days]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

Yes we do. Woof personnel figured it out- they are doing KPIs. And next year they might do kicking skills.

This is a rubbish post.

[Danjul]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Five v North Melbourne at Marvel

This is a rubbish post.

Sorry to offend with a failed attempt at humour. Will try to do better with my next comment by keeping it serious.