Always Right Match Committee Round 12 v Geelong at Marvel on Friday Night

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 12 v Geelong at Marvel on Friday Night

Interesting. I’m not anti Schache I just wonder why ,have you seen some worthy form or is it a matchup thing ?

I'm in the Schache camp on this one.

Schache is better at most things than Zaine, although his bad is worse his better provides much more upside.

Schache was also better in the VFL, so did more to earn a spot.

Zaine is better at making his opponent earn it, but Zaine still doesn't get it much.

If we are looking at how we can be better we pick Josh.

If we are thinking we need to mitigate damage, we pick Zaine, but that mindset is more likely to be a losing one.

[Bornadog]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 12 v Geelong at Marvel on Friday Night

Interesting. I’m not anti Schache I just wonder why ,have you seen some worthy form or is it a matchup thing ?

Just to explain, the question I was answering was Cordy or Schache and I choose Schache until Zaine finds some form.

BJ explains it nicely

I'm in the Schache camp on this one.

Schache is better at most things than Zaine, although his bad is worse his better provides much more upside.

Schache was also better in the VFL, so did more to earn a spot.

Zaine is better at making his opponent earn it, but Zaine still doesn't get it much.

If we are looking at how we can be better we pick Josh.

If we are thinking we need to mitigate damage, we pick Zaine, but that mindset is more likely to be a losing one.

However, I stand with my original change and ie in Marra, out Sweet and Buku to help out as 2nd ruck

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 12 v Geelong at Marvel on Friday Night

We’re so stuck in the mentality of neutralising opposition rucks, we’re walking away from driving home an advantage. Both ruckmen were great in the centre bounce v WC which was a big factor in us kicking 25 goals

Quoted for truth.

[soupman]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 12 v Geelong at Marvel on Friday Night

We’re so stuck in the mentality of neutralising opposition rucks, we’re walking away from driving home an advantage. Both ruckmen were great in the centre bounce v WC which was a big factor in us kicking 25 goals

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I'm very open to playing double ruck and despite my many reservations on Sweet have been impressed with his tapwork and do think he's had a positive impact in the ruck.

My issue is more that he hasn't offered anything around the ground since the Collingwood game (he was ok in tight with his pressure work after the ruck contest against Gold Coast but has offered almost literally nothing aside from that for 2 weeks). This is compounded by there being no evidence we were trying to use him constructively in the second ruck role against the Eagles. Maybe there was a plan for him and it just wasn't very prominent, but realistically if we aren't able to find a role for him aside from as a relief ruck for an outrageously in form English then I don't think he is our best option.

Fwiw I would pick Schache for that defensive role up forward over Cordy. I think they offer similiar benefits in being able to pull of the "task" aspect of this role but Schache offers much more as a forward option.

[Danjul]

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I don't necessarily disagree with you. I'm very open to playing double ruck and despite my many reservations on Sweet have been impressed with his tapwork and do think he's had a positive impact in the ruck.

My issue is more that he hasn't offered anything around the ground since the Collingwood game (he was ok in tight with his pressure work after the ruck contest against Adelaide but has offered almost literally nothing aside from that for 2 weeks). This is compounded by there being no evidence we were trying to use him constructively in the second ruck role against the Eagles. Maybe there was a plan for him and it just wasn't very prominent, but realistically if we aren't able to find a role for him aside from as a relief ruck for an outrageously in form English then I don't think he is our best option.

Fwiw I would pick Schache for that defensive role up forward over Cordy. I think they offer similiar benefits in being able to pull of the "task" aspect of this role but Schache offers much more as a forward option.

English has improved enormously in the ruck in the last six months but this is outrageously in form

Goldstein: disposals: 28 hitouts: 57
English : disposals: 11 hitouts: 7

(Cordy 8,8)

English was allowed to develop

[Bornadog]

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English has improved enormously in the ruck in the last six months but this is outrageously in form

Goldstein: disposals: 28 hitouts: 57
English : disposals: 11 hitouts: 7

(Cordy 8,8)

English was allowed to develop

What are these stats?

[hujsh]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 12 v Geelong at Marvel on Friday Night

What are these stats?

I'm guessing it was last year? Doesn't relate at all to English's current form but I believe Danjul is saying if we played Sweet we'd see a similar improvement (or that we would have if we had). Alternatively he's saying English's form isn't as good as Goldstein the day he got toweled up

Irrelevant to how we win this week and since Sweet doesn't really seem like a good forward probably irrelevant going forward too. We clearly decided English was a better long term ruck prospect with a higher ceiling and we're starting to see that come to fruition now.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 12 v Geelong at Marvel on Friday Night

English has improved enormously in the ruck in the last six months but this is outrageously in form

Goldstein: disposals: 28 hitouts: 57
English : disposals: 11 hitouts: 7

(Cordy 8,8)

English was allowed to develop

2022
English 22 Disposals 22 HO 1 goal 7 marks
Goldstein 4 disposals 19 HO 1 mark
Xerri 20 disposals 26 HO 1 mark

The numbers for English and Goldstein in 2022 bear no comparison to previous years and I just don't find the game your stats refer to.

[jeemak]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 12 v Geelong at Marvel on Friday Night

I can't believe anyone would say statistics from round 10 2019 aren't relevant to now.

[hujsh]

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I can't believe anyone would say statistics from round 10 2019 aren't relevant to now.

I want English to win a Brownlow and for those number to appear behind him as he goes onstage to accept it

[Jeanette54]

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I really hope we have a plan.

We need a player (Doc or Libba) in between the rucks and the boundary line when Hawkins takes the throw in. Never mind who their man is, the most dangerous Cat at these throw ins is Hawkins himself

[Hotdog60]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 12 v Geelong at Marvel on Friday Night

I'm happy for Zaine's knee to come in but the rest can stay in the VFL.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 12 v Geelong at Marvel on Friday Night

I'm happy for Zaine's knee to come in but the rest can stay in the VFL.

There is an Arthurs Seat down my way with Tony's Nose nearby. Tony's Nose deserves Zaine's knee for being so close to Arthur's seat.

[Danjul]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 12 v Geelong at Marvel on Friday Night

I can't believe anyone would say statistics from round 10 2019 aren't relevant to now.

The stats were a reference to a good ruck performance. A lot of it happened a few metres in front of me.

57 hitouts combined with 28 disposals is good in most people’s opinion.

And they will always be,

and I am glad you see it that way too.

[Grantysghost]

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The stats were a reference to a good ruck performance. A lot of it happened a few metres in front of me.

57 hitouts combined with 28 disposals is good in most people’s opinion.

And they will always be,

and I am glad you see it that way too.

Nice zinger Danj!

Too many cheap shots from Jee lately good to see him put in his place.
Plus he wants to trade Dunkley.