Rory Lobb

[Happy Days]

Re: Rory Lobb

We're hitched our wagon to the English stallion - he's our no 1 ruck going forward. We're not chasing an English replacement and sending English forward.

But why? How many finals series in a row does he need to get punked out in to reshape our thinking?

[Sedat]

Re: Rory Lobb

We're hitched our wagon to the English stallion - he's our no 1 ruck going forward. We're not chasing an English replacement and sending English forward.

Sigh, I know

[Mofra]

Re: Rory Lobb

But why? How many finals series in a row does he need to get punked out in to reshape our thinking?

I'm not arguing for it, just stating the reality of it. English has publicly said he wants to be the no 1 man and Bevo has backed him in.
We chased Soldo last year and Lobb this year as a forward/second ruck.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Rory Lobb

But why? How many finals series in a row does he need to get punked out in to reshape our thinking?

Surely it's not still the tail wagging the dog.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Rory Lobb

I'm not arguing for it, just stating the reality of it. English has publicly said he wants to be the no 1 man and Bevo has backed him in.
We chased Soldo last year and Lobb this year as a forward/second ruck.

He played about 80 percent ruck time this season in game, do you think that this will change with Lobb? Like a 70/30, 60/40?

[EasternWest]

Re: Rory Lobb

If not Lobb, what is your solution to second ruck?

Josh Dunkley. Oh, wait.

Josh Schache. Oh, wait.

[Sedat]

Re: Rory Lobb

I'm not arguing for it, just stating the reality of it. English has publicly said he wants to be the no 1 man and Bevo has backed him in.

So if we fail to win the premiership in 2023 (or materially improve to become a top 4 team at the very least), if the ruck conundrum continues to be a major structural problem against the best teams, and if the development of JUH and Darcy stalls and is compromised, how will we all be feeling in 12 months time about both Bevo and English?

There's a lot of ifs in there I know.

Let me state for the record that I will be the first to apologise if English suddenly becomes the 2nd coming of Simon Madden and consistently destroys the quality opposition ruckmen that have until now destroyed him, Lobb becomes a damaging forward/ruck and we win the premiership next year. You can all let fly with the rotten fruit while I wallow in the stocks.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Rory Lobb

If not Lobb, what is your solution to second ruck?

Well, an actual ruckman. Grundy if we can make it work. I haven't really scanned every list. But Lobb has never really impressed me and I feel we're massively overpaying him.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Rory Lobb

Freo to play hardball and hold him to his contract if they lose Griffin Logue https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...13-p5bhtw.html

[Testekill]

Re: Rory Lobb

This is an opportunistic trade and not one out of necessity. Hold firm on the second rounder and back off if they want anything else, the big problem with our midfield and forward line is that they're poorly coached and drilled which is something that Lobb isn't going to help with.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Rory Lobb

Josh Dunkley. Oh, wait.

Josh Schache. Oh, wait.

Josh Brolin would be badass.

[hujsh]

Re: Rory Lobb

So if we fail to win the premiership in 2023 (or materially improve to become a top 4 team at the very least), if the ruck conundrum continues to be a major structural problem against the best teams, and if the development of JUH and Darcy stalls and is compromised, how will we all be feeling in 12 months time about both Bevo and English?

There's a lot of ifs in there I know.

Let me state for the record that I will be the first to apologise if English suddenly becomes the 2nd coming of Simon Madden and consistently destroys the quality opposition ruckmen that have until now destroyed him, Lobb becomes a damaging forward/ruck and we win the premiership next year. You can all let fly with the rotten fruit while I wallow in the stocks.

It must be a written apology, hand delivered to the English estate or their nominated representative, notarized and the envelope must be sealed with your own blood. No other methods will be acceptable for daring to question the majesty of Sir English the Bold.

[hujsh]

Re: Rory Lobb

Freo to play hardball and hold him to his contract if they lose Griffin Logue https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...13-p5bhtw.html

Fine, fine I guess we can sort this out. Lets keep Freo happy and trade them Schache and Cordy so they can let both go (to us)

[MrMahatma]

Re: Rory Lobb

With Lobb, those who don't want him, as in to the degree they hope the deal falls over...is it a combo of not rating him + not rating the club list management skills? Not trying to make a statement here, I respect the forum. Genuinely intrigued whether it's a combo of both. It would kinda have to be really I guess.

Personally, it's more I don't think he'll get played enough - so maybe that's a list management thing, at least in part.

I also have the following questions/concerns:
1. I believe that Naughton, Darcy & JUH will all be forwards, and good ones. I believe that playing together in the same fwd line is important to build chemistry. We COULD put Lobb in there and play Darcy back but outside of giving him experience, which is good, but I don't think it actually helps the forward chemistry thing. I don't expect Bruce to play too many matches next year. If he does, it compounds things further.
2. Surely within another 2 years, we're wanting Darcy in as the fwd/ruck? If so, where does Lobb fit? 3 years we're offering. Is he then insurance? I guess that's OK?
3. If we're going to compromise the Naughton, Darcy, JUH fwd chemistry...I'm probably more, of recent times, with the crew of getting a #1 ruck and Tim playing the Ruck/Fwd. Even just for 1 or 2 years.

In some ways it's like we were DESPERATE for Lobb at the beginning of this season, but we're now going to get him a year late? Like Barry Hall.

If we do get him and he plays regularly, then I still think Bruce doesn't play, and Lobb plays Ruck/Fwd, and Darcy plays defence. That's not an awful solution. So I'm not rooting for the deal to fall over. It's probably more that it's not my preferred outcome and I'm not sure how they all play together.

[Bornadog]

Re: Rory Lobb

Personally, it's more I don't think he'll get played enough - so maybe that's a list management thing, at least in part.

I also have the following questions/concerns:
1. I believe that Naughton, Darcy & JUH will all be forwards, and good ones. I believe that playing together in the same fwd line is important to build chemistry. We COULD put Lobb in there and play Darcy back but outside of giving him experience, which is good, but I don't think it actually helps the forward chemistry thing. I don't expect Bruce to play too many matches next year. If he does, it compounds things further.
2. Surely within another 2 years, we're wanting Darcy in as the fwd/ruck? If so, where does Lobb fit? 3 years we're offering. Is he then insurance? I guess that's OK?
3. If we're going to compromise the Naughton, Darcy, JUH fwd chemistry...I'm probably more, of recent times, with the crew of getting a #1 ruck and Tim playing the Ruck/Fwd. Even just for 1 or 2 years.

In some ways it's like we were DESPERATE for Lobb at the beginning of this season, but we're now going to get him a year late? Like Barry Hall.

If we do get him and he plays regularly, then I still think Bruce doesn't play, and Lobb plays Ruck/Fwd, and Darcy plays defence. That's not an awful solution. So I'm not rooting for the deal to fall over. It's probably more that it's not my preferred outcome and I'm not sure how they all play together.

Darcy is no certainty to play forward. He may play back.