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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34316

    Re: Rory Lobb

    Is it as simple as;

    At stoppages English and Lobb are at best competitive in seeking to win hit outs, perhaps losing more then they win. But in most other aspects, we expect their athleticism, mobility, height, marking, goal kicking, ability to drop back in defence as needed to deliver the team a net gain? Even add Darcy to that list in time. Are we looking to make a bet, that with 3 very agile 205cm+ players that we can exploit opposition rucks and match ups generally to stop ‘LED’ while trying to break even at stoppages?

    There’s three AFL quality 205cm+ players potentially running around together. If BevoLade pulls this new vision of what modern day rucking looks like, and it works, it ‘could’ be a real point of difference. If all three are playing and in form, forgetting Naughton, Marra or Bruce. How many clubs have the depth of athletic giants to cover them all? I’m not many can. But theory is one thing, how they are coached and moved on game day, and how team mates use them to maximum advantage is the key. If Darcy was to go into defence, each third of the ground would have a 205cm+ dogs target who unlike previous decades, are all afel quality.

    I’m still in the camp of playing one genuine ruck, but I’m happy to see if the theory turns into something more interesting.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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    • Twodogs
      Moderator
      • Nov 2006
      • 27654

      Re: Rory Lobb

      Originally posted by Grantysghost
      You're right Swoop. I was wrong to doubt the trade.
      Now that you are on the "Best. Trade. Ever" train you get to wipe all your doubts.
      They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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      • Twodogs
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 27654

        Re: Rory Lobb

        Originally posted by bulldogtragic
        Is it as simple as;

        At stoppages English and Lobb are at best competitive in seeking to win hit outs, perhaps losing more then they win. But in most other aspects, we expect their athleticism, mobility, height, marking, goal kicking, ability to drop back in defence as needed to deliver the team a net gain? Even add Darcy to that list in time. Are we looking to make a bet, that with 3 very agile 205cm+ players that we can exploit opposition rucks and match ups generally to stop ‘LED’ while trying to break even at stoppages?

        There’s three AFL quality 205cm+ players potentially running around together. If BevoLade pulls this new vision of what modern day rucking looks like, and it works, it ‘could’ be a real point of difference. If all three are playing and in form, forgetting Naughton, Marra or Bruce. How many clubs have the depth of athletic giants to cover them all? I’m not many can. But theory is one thing, how they are coached and moved on game day, and how team mates use them to maximum advantage is the key. If Darcy was to go into defence, each third of the ground would have a 205cm+ dogs target who unlike previous decades, are all afel quality.

        I’m still in the camp of playing one genuine ruck, but I’m happy to see if the theory turns into something more interesting.
        What's LED?

        *Edit* Lobb, English, Darcy. I worked it out the moment I pressed the post button
        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34316

          Re: Rory Lobb

          Originally posted by Twodogs
          What's LED?

          *Edit* Lobb, English, Darcy. I worked it out the moment I pressed the post button
          Trying increase my typing efficiency.

          I went with LED. Bit catchier than other mixed.
          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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          • GVGjr
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 44399

            Re: Rory Lobb

            Rory is off to a good start

            Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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            • Grantysghost
              Bouncing Strong
              • Apr 2010
              • 18926

              Re: Rory Lobb

              Those are the world's biggest hands.

              BT COME BACK!​

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              • bulldogtragic
                The List Manager
                • Jan 2007
                • 34316

                Re: Rory Lobb

                Marra looks bloody tiny... Lobb looks like a dead set monster. Not just height (we know), but he's way more than an axe handle wide at the shoulders. Almost Stewy Loewe size buckets too.
                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                • Happy Days
                  Hall of Fame
                  • May 2008
                  • 10102

                  Re: Rory Lobb

                  Buckets Lobb
                  - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                  • jazzadogs
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 5595

                    Re: Rory Lobb

                    Originally posted by Grantysghost
                    Those are the world's biggest hands.

                    Did you see the picture of Cody Weightman with Shaquille O'Neal? Now THOSE are the world's biggest hands.

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                    • Grantysghost
                      Bouncing Strong
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 18926

                      Re: Rory Lobb

                      Originally posted by jazzadogs
                      Did you see the picture of Cody Weightman with Shaquille O'Neal? Now THOSE are the world's biggest hands.
                      Shaq is next level humongous isn't he, crazy.
                      BT COME BACK!​

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                      • EasternWest
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 9999

                        Re: Rory Lobb

                        Originally posted by Grantysghost
                        Shaq is next level humongous isn't he, crazy.
                        Eh. He's not that big.

                        "It's over. It's all over."

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                        • Grantysghost
                          Bouncing Strong
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 18926

                          Re: Rory Lobb

                          Originally posted by EasternWest
                          Eh. He's not that big.

                          Agreed

                          BT COME BACK!​

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                          • bulldogtragic
                            The List Manager
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 34316

                            Re: Rory Lobb

                            Rory Lobb - By The Numbers

                            29yo
                            207cm
                            106kg

                            140 Games
                            143 Goals


                            Career Highs:

                            5 Goals
                            19 Disposals
                            10 Marks
                            8 Tackles
                            45 Hit Outs
                            150 SuperCoach

                            Average 1.0 Goals Per Game Career
                            Average 0.7 Behinds Per Game Career

                            Roughly 60% Accuracy (Sorry Axe Man couldn't find his total SOG)

                            Outside of previous 'Home grounds' (including Canberra), his next best venue for personal performance is Docklands. Along with his team performance in 'wins and losses' also being superior at Docklands.


                            Final Stand Outs:

                            3 Goals vs Western Bulldogs 2016 Prelim Final
                            2 Goals vs Western Bulldogs 2022 Elim Final
                            135 Total Hit Outs across 4 finals - 2017 SF, PF & 2018 EF, SF (nearly 34 average per final)


                            2022 Competition Rankings:

                            =19th Total Contested Marks - Dogs 2022 3 Best - Naughton =5th, Bonts 56th, English 63rd
                            15th Total Marks Inside 50 (14th on average) - Dogs 2022 3 Best - Naughton 12th, Marra 36th, Weightman 49th
                            6th Time on Ground Percentage Per Game - Dogs 2022 3 Best - Gardner =4th, Keath 40th, B. Smith 56th
                            =29th Total Goals - Dogs 2022 3 Best - Naughton 11th, =29th Weightman, Bontempellli 54th

                            26th Total Hitouts - English 12th, Cordy 40th, Naughton 47th, Ugle-Hagan 70th, Bonts 82nd (using a Rolls Royce to 'bush bash')

                            Notable Games: 2 Goals in EF Final Wins vs Bulldogs, 4.2 Win vs Bulldogs at Docklands, 5.1 Win vs Port Adelaide


                            Previous Season Top Rankings:

                            Ranked 10th in Contested Marks Per Game in 2021
                            Ranked 3rd in Contested Marks Per Game in 2020
                            Ranked 4th in Time On Ground % Per Game in 2020
                            Ranked 3rd in Total Contested Marks in 2020
                            Ranked 7th in Contested Marks Per Game in 2019
                            Ranked 5th in Total Contested Marks in 2017
                            Ranked 6th in Contested Marks Per Game in 2017
                            Ranked 3rd in Contested Marks Per Game in 2016
                            Ranked 2nd in Total Contested Marks in 2016



                            What do the numbers tell you?


                            For me, it says he's a mature and seasoned monster (see photos in the thread above), and that he's an elite contested mark and has been from the get go, despite in recent years getting the best defender. It says he's a fairly reliable and accurate goal kicker. It says despite the energy sapping rucking support he offers, he's so fit that he's still spending a heap of time on field. This should mean that Bevo has a few extra interchange moves to rotate others, perhaps between Marra and Darcy (5th on the bench?) to keep them fresher for longer, more dangerous and have more options to create mis-match match-ups. It says that if required to ruck in big games he can not just compete, but he can rack up big hit out numbers for our mids. And that he likes playing at Docklands from his own performance and team winning performance too.

                            It says that outside Naughton 'and then daylight to the next best performed player this year up forward' for marks and goals, that Lobb is so very, very comfortably our second best forward. It shows that with Cordy leaving as the '2022 Second Ruck' that there's a MASSIVE MASSSIVE MASSIVE upgrade to the second ruck. It also flows that both Naughton and Marra should spend less time as out 3rd and 4th rucks doing that work, and more time on their actual role and be more dangerous. While Bonts should never be Second Ruck regularly again. While Lobb taking the second best defender leaves Marra with the third tall.

                            It seems a big coup for the club to get someone to nominate us (doesn't happen very often). For English, Sweet and Darcy, seeing close up how Lobb approaches his own brand of footy with his huge frame and huge athleticsim is a great internal resource for them. Add Brandan Lade to the coaching stocks and you would hope there's a development pay off too. If Lobb and English can stay fit for the three years, then there's no pressure on Darcy to be rushed into the combat of the ruck.

                            The numbers reinforce this was a good acquisition. The question is how the forward line will structure up, will Lobb be the deep option with lead and mark and give Naughton the licence to roam? Will other forwards create room for each other and not fly for the same footy? How will Lobb be used as a formal Second Ruck and who replaces him while English is on the bench - Does Darcy play as the 5th on the bench as a very flexible and very tall option? Will forward 50 entries work to Lobb's clear advantages?

                            p.s. Combining his career Hit Outs, Goals, Contested Marks and Tackles across all oppositions (we are second in every category to different oppositions, per category), he as an overall package saves his best footy for the Western Bulldogs. This is an 'Abraham Lincoln Trade', ie "I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends".
                            Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                            • The Bulldogs Bite
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 11153

                              Re: Rory Lobb

                              Good post.

                              Lobb is a good player but his value is more in what he can do for our structure, and for the trio of English, Naughton and Marra.

                              Naughton has had no help for a while. He was a good combo with Bruce in 2021, but I'm hopeful a partnership with Lobb could be even better as their playing styles potentially compliment each other better. Against the better sides, Naughton has struggled a little - a player like Lobb forces the opposition to pay him respect, taking some pressure off Naughton. The key is movement though - create separation. 1-v-1 these two are really hard to stop.

                              English clearly needs assistance, especially in games when he's offering little. The second ruck position has been an issue forever, now it's a strength, but ironically the first ruck spot is still going to cause us headaches. At least we have a genuine option to swap them.

                              I'm potentially more excited by what Lobbs inclusion does for Marra. Literally all of Marras better games have been when we've had Naughton and Bruce playing together. We would expect a big improvement from Marra next year but there's no denying playing as the third tall is.more favourable for him than playing as the second key.

                              If they are fit and in reasonable form, there isn't a side in the comp that can quell all 3 of Naughton, Lobb and Marra.

                              Now we just need a genuine crumber.....
                              W00F!

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                              • azabob
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 15226

                                Re: Rory Lobb

                                I've said it a few times but his TOG% is very impressive and would've been a key consideration in chasing him.
                                More of an In Bruges guy?

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