Charles Sutton Medal

[angelopetraglia]

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It's just lazy journalism to insinuate that Beveridge was at fault for the drop off in output of both of these players.

It's true they both had very poor years... so why not dig deeper into why that was the case instead of just blaming the coach based on the roles they were asked to play?

Could not agree more strongly with this post. Bailey Smith even commented his attitude to playing the role he was asked to play could have been better.

[Bulldog Joe]

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It's just lazy journalism to insinuate that Beveridge was at fault for the drop off in output of both of these players.

It's true they both had very poor years... so why not dig deeper into why that was the case instead of just blaming the coach based on the roles they were asked to play?

Isn't the coach ultimately responsible for the performance of the players.
He clearly accepted the poor form because those players played every game they were available.
Surely how he used them contributed to how they played

[GVGjr]

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Didn't Bevo look flat last night. Ideally he needs a good month or more off but with a few appointments need to complete the footy department he probably can't afford to do that.

[SquirrelGrip]

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OK, I made it home after last night at Crown. Even manage to spend a little time in the afterparty with the players and rest of the crew. It was my first Charlie Sutton for a while, so an enjoyable celebration overall. A reminder that we are a good club.

Here are my observations:

- when I walked in the room, they had two musicians playing classical string music. Very classy but a little un-Bulldog. What would EJ think?
- I managed to talk to about 80% of the players at some point during the night. The younger ones just love being there and experiencing a big free function at Crown, and their WAGs are right into it because they don't get invited to the Brownlow and the other big events. I predict quite a few up and coming influencers amongst that group of WAGs.
- James O'Donnell is a ripping young bloke.
- Rohan Smith wasn't there. The version I heard was he doesn't want to be in the same room as Chris Grant.
- Whether by design or not, I'm not sure, I felt Chris Grant kept a low profile.
- Of the players, the only one I didn't see in the room was Robbie McComb, but I may have missed others.
- The room lit up anytime Libba was mentioned or involved.
- We are a better club from having Liam Jones part of it.
- The Naughton announcement shocked the room in a great way. The club has posted Marra's reaction to the news. I was fairly close to the front and it's fair to say that it was an extremely popular decision amongst the playing group.
- I spoke with Naughty. He's really excited about it and loves the club. I spoke with Naughty's dad. He's still not going to change from being a Collingwood supporter, but did admit that this announcement was a second reason why it has been such a great week for him.
- I suggested to Marra that he now needs an 8 year deal and said, nah he wants 9!
- Ed Richards is a significant part of our footy club. His 3rd placing during an injury-filled season shows he is valued by the coaching group. Wouldn't surprise me if he is part of next year's leadership group.
- Asked Adam Treloar and Kim who they were going for last Saturday and definitely it was Brisbane said Kim - they were sitting with the Dunkley family. Suspect Kim still has some bitterness towards the Pies.
- It was a highlight seeing Tim English receive the Most Improved Award on stage from Tony Liberatore - what a great game that whatever size you are, you can succeed.
- In the room, Bevo's speech was very flat, just as I'm sure it was on the livestream. Mostly thankyous, particularly the focus on Rohan Smith, clearly the elephant in the room this year. I think we all expect something a bit more inspirational from Bevo, even following a disappointing year. Hope he's OK.
- It felt like people were just chatting through President Kylie's speech. She's engaging one on one, but just seems to be on auto-pilot when delivering a speech. All technically accurate and correct, but no passion.
- Clay Smith was there and was up and about. Also saw him at the after party later. I would be amazed if he is not part of next year's new coaching panel. It felt like he was now part of the furniture.
- Bont was flying off overseas at 4am this morning. I'm guessing North America.
- A lot of love for Josh Bruce.
- Felt for Jack Macrae, usually right at the top of the Medal count. This year he was well back. I just wonder what the future is for him and whether he can re-invent himself in a different role like Matthew Boyd or Scott Pendlebury.
- Bailey Smith seemed to spend most of the night en route to the bathroom. Maybe too much Barry before the main event?
- Further on Bailey Smith, he is a very different unit to the rest of the team. I never feel he's part of the team or mixes with the rest of the boys. It's also not a good look to be vaping in public at an event like this. I feel that Bevo spends a lot of time and attention managing him. Really wonder whether it's worth it. Bailey is happy to get a selfie with anyone, but I'd like to have seen him joking around with his teammates like all the others seemed to.


I'm sure other things will come to mind, but hopefully this gives an idea of the "vibe" I experienced.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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OK, I made it home after last night at Crown. Even manage to spend a little time in the afterparty with the players and rest of the crew. It was my first Charlie Sutton for a while, so an enjoyable celebration overall. A reminder that we are a good club.

Here are my observations:

- when I walked in the room, they had two musicians playing classical string music. Very classy but a little un-Bulldog. What would EJ think?
- I managed to talk to about 80% of the players at some point during the night. The younger ones just love being there and experiencing a big free function at Crown, and their WAGs are right into it because they don't get invited to the Brownlow and the other big events. I predict quite a few up and coming influencers amongst that group of WAGs.
- James O'Donnell is a ripping young bloke.
- Rohan Smith wasn't there. The version I heard was he doesn't want to be in the same room as Chris Grant.
- Whether by design or not, I'm not sure, I felt Chris Grant kept a low profile.
- Of the players, the only one I didn't see in the room was Robbie McComb, but I may have missed others.
- The room lit up anytime Libba was mentioned or involved.
- We are a better club from having Liam Jones part of it.
- The Naughton announcement shocked the room in a great way. The club has posted Marra's reaction to the news. I was fairly close to the front and it's fair to say that it was an extremely popular decision amongst the playing group.
- I spoke with Naughty. He's really excited about it and loves the club. I spoke with Naughty's dad. He's still not going to change from being a Collingwood supporter, but did admit that this announcement was a second reason why it has been such a great week for him.
- I suggested to Marra that he now needs an 8 year deal and said, nah he wants 9!
- Ed Richards is a significant part of our footy club. His 3rd placing during an injury-filled season shows he is valued by the coaching group. Wouldn't surprise me if he is part of next year's leadership group.
- Asked Adam Treloar and Kim who they were going for last Saturday and definitely it was Brisbane said Kim - they were sitting with the Dunkley family. Suspect Kim still has some bitterness towards the Pies.
- It was a highlight seeing Tim English receive the Most Improved Award on stage from Tony Liberatore - what a great game that whatever size you are, you can succeed.
- In the room, Bevo's speech was very flat, just as I'm sure it was on the livestream. Mostly thankyous, particularly the focus on Rohan Smith, clearly the elephant in the room this year. I think we all expect something a bit more inspirational from Bevo, even following a disappointing year. Hope he's OK.
- It felt like people were just chatting through President Kylie's speech. She's engaging one on one, but just seems to be on auto-pilot when delivering a speech. All technically accurate and correct, but no passion.
- Clay Smith was there and was up and about. Also saw him at the after party later. I would be amazed if he is not part of next year's new coaching panel. It felt like he was now part of the furniture.
- Bont was flying off overseas at 4am this morning. I'm guessing North America.
- A lot of love for Josh Bruce.
- Felt for Jack Macrae, usually right at the top of the Medal count. This year he was well back. I just wonder what the future is for him and whether he can re-invent himself in a different role like Matthew Boyd or Scott Pendlebury.
- Bailey Smith seemed to spend most of the night en route to the bathroom. Maybe too much Barry before the main event?
- Further on Bailey Smith, he is a very different unit to the rest of the team. I never feel he's part of the team or mixes with the rest of the boys. It's also not a good look to be vaping in public at an event like this. I feel that Bevo spends a lot of time and attention managing him. Really wonder whether it's worth it. Bailey is happy to get a selfie with anyone, but I'd like to have seen him joking around with his teammates like all the others seemed to.


I'm sure other things will come to mind, but hopefully this gives an idea of the "vibe" I experienced.

Great insight. Appreciate the time to write it out.

Three main points stand out to me.

1. The whole Rohan Smith v Chris Grant thing seems to be creating a divide. It was a curious call from Grant to get rid of Rohan. What was his rationale? I'm not sure Granty is doing good for the club IMHO.

2. How you described Smith is exactly how I perceive him. It goes in line with his personal branding taking precedence over his football. Him vaping and heading to the bathrooms is concerning. All I can picture is Kramer feeling good all the time. Needs to change otherwise I'm even more tempted to offload him before his stock plummets.

3. Bevo. I listened to his speech. I didn't find it flat but it was certainly uninspiring. Really feels he needs a break. I'm surprised he hasn't walked away if he's feeling that stressed and burnt out. We can't have a coach in that state. It kind of reflects our performances.

[SquirrelGrip]

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Great insight. Appreciate the time to write it out.

Three main points stand out to me.

1. The whole Rohan Smith v Chris Grant thing seems to be creating a divide. It was a curious call from Grant to get rid of Rohan. What was his rationale? I'm not sure Granty is doing good for the club IMHO.

2. How you described Smith is exactly how I perceive him. It goes in line with his personal branding taking precedence over his football. Him vaping and heading to the bathrooms is concerning. All I can picture is Kramer feeling good all the time. Needs to change otherwise I'm even more tempted to offload him before his stock plummets.

3. Bevo. I listened to his speech. I didn't find it flat but it was certainly uninspiring. Really feels he needs a break. I'm surprised he hasn't walked away if he's feeling that stressed and burnt out. We can't have a coach in that state. It kind of reflects our performances.

Thanks BT&T.

With Bubba v Turtle, the decision on Bubba seemed very much an Ameet & Grant decision, not just Grant. My reading of the tea leaves is that Granty had to show he could make a tough decision.

[hujsh]

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- The Naughton announcement shocked the room in a great way. The club has posted Marra's reaction to the news. I was fairly close to the front and it's fair to say that it was an extremely popular decision amongst the playing group.

Anyone have a link to that. Google shows me nothing

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Anyone have a link to that. Google shows me nothing

Check the clubs insta if you can.

[Pedro Sanchez]

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OK, I made it home after last night at Crown. Even manage to spend a little time in the afterparty with the players and rest of the crew. It was my first Charlie Sutton for a while, so an enjoyable celebration overall. A reminder that we are a good club.

Here are my observations:

- when I walked in the room, they had two musicians playing classical string music. Very classy but a little un-Bulldog. What would EJ think?
- I managed to talk to about 80% of the players at some point during the night. The younger ones just love being there and experiencing a big free function at Crown, and their WAGs are right into it because they don't get invited to the Brownlow and the other big events. I predict quite a few up and coming influencers amongst that group of WAGs.
- James O'Donnell is a ripping young bloke.
- Rohan Smith wasn't there. The version I heard was he doesn't want to be in the same room as Chris Grant.
- Whether by design or not, I'm not sure, I felt Chris Grant kept a low profile.
- Of the players, the only one I didn't see in the room was Robbie McComb, but I may have missed others.
- The room lit up anytime Libba was mentioned or involved.
- We are a better club from having Liam Jones part of it.
- The Naughton announcement shocked the room in a great way. The club has posted Marra's reaction to the news. I was fairly close to the front and it's fair to say that it was an extremely popular decision amongst the playing group.
- I spoke with Naughty. He's really excited about it and loves the club. I spoke with Naughty's dad. He's still not going to change from being a Collingwood supporter, but did admit that this announcement was a second reason why it has been such a great week for him.
- I suggested to Marra that he now needs an 8 year deal and said, nah he wants 9!
- Ed Richards is a significant part of our footy club. His 3rd placing during an injury-filled season shows he is valued by the coaching group. Wouldn't surprise me if he is part of next year's leadership group.
- Asked Adam Treloar and Kim who they were going for last Saturday and definitely it was Brisbane said Kim - they were sitting with the Dunkley family. Suspect Kim still has some bitterness towards the Pies.
- It was a highlight seeing Tim English receive the Most Improved Award on stage from Tony Liberatore - what a great game that whatever size you are, you can succeed.
- In the room, Bevo's speech was very flat, just as I'm sure it was on the livestream. Mostly thankyous, particularly the focus on Rohan Smith, clearly the elephant in the room this year. I think we all expect something a bit more inspirational from Bevo, even following a disappointing year. Hope he's OK.
- It felt like people were just chatting through President Kylie's speech. She's engaging one on one, but just seems to be on auto-pilot when delivering a speech. All technically accurate and correct, but no passion.
- Clay Smith was there and was up and about. Also saw him at the after party later. I would be amazed if he is not part of next year's new coaching panel. It felt like he was now part of the furniture.
- Bont was flying off overseas at 4am this morning. I'm guessing North America.
- A lot of love for Josh Bruce.
- Felt for Jack Macrae, usually right at the top of the Medal count. This year he was well back. I just wonder what the future is for him and whether he can re-invent himself in a different role like Matthew Boyd or Scott Pendlebury.
- Bailey Smith seemed to spend most of the night en route to the bathroom. Maybe too much Barry before the main event?
- Further on Bailey Smith, he is a very different unit to the rest of the team. I never feel he's part of the team or mixes with the rest of the boys. It's also not a good look to be vaping in public at an event like this. I feel that Bevo spends a lot of time and attention managing him. Really wonder whether it's worth it. Bailey is happy to get a selfie with anyone, but I'd like to have seen him joking around with his teammates like all the others seemed to.


I'm sure other things will come to mind, but hopefully this gives an idea of the "vibe" I experienced.

Excellent insights - thank you.

In regards to English, did you get an impression that he was well invested in the playing group?

[SquirrelGrip]

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Excellent insights - thank you.

In regards to English, did you get an impression that he was well invested in the playing group?

Yes definitely. His partner Rudi also got on very well with the other partners. I was interested to see how all players and partners interact with each other.

To be fair, with Tim he's so shy and polite all the time - definitely no extrovert - and you can't always tell what he's thinking. But he was very popular with those attending and happy to engage.

With Rudi now based in Melbourne for a couple of years, I think they'll just see how that all goes. He's very pensive and that probably reflects why he is taking his time with his contract. But that shouldn't be taken as he's shopping himself around.

Brendan Lade told a story about when he signed onto the Bulldogs, Tim texted him immediately and asked Brendan what he thought of him and what he could do to get better. Definitely a quiet deep thinker.

[Pedro Sanchez]

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Yes definitely. His partner Rudi also got on very well with the other partners. I was interested to see how all players and partners interact with each other.

To be fair, with Tim he's so shy and polite all the time - definitely no extrovert - and you can't always tell what he's thinking. But he was very popular with those attending and happy to engage.

With Rudi now based in Melbourne for a couple of years, I think they'll just see how that all goes. He's very pensive and that probably reflects why he is taking his time with his contract. But that shouldn't be taken as he's shopping himself around.

Brendan Lade told a story about when he signed onto the Bulldogs, Tim texted him immediately and asked Brendan what he thought of him and what he could do to get better. Definitely a quiet deep thinker.

That's fair. Essentially there is likely to be many benefits drop from Naughton signing on. Firstly, he's squared away for his career, secondly his good mates English and Marra will be encouraged, and thirdly, the overall playing list will likely also be impressed that such a key guy as committed for so long. Very positive all round.

[SquirrelGrip]

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That's fair. Essentially there is likely to be many benefits drop from Naughton signing on. Firstly, he's squared away for his career, secondly his good mates English and Marra will be encouraged, and thirdly, the overall playing list will likely also be impressed that such a key guy as committed for so long. Very positive all round.

Yes that's definitely the vibe I felt from last night too - Naughton's commitment will inspire those around him to do the same.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Bit worried about the commentary around Bevo.

We need him at his absolute best and nothing less.

[Rocket Science]

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How you described Smith is exactly how I perceive him. It goes in line with his personal branding taking precedence over his football. Him vaping and heading to the bathrooms is concerning. All I can picture is Kramer feeling good all the time. Needs to change otherwise I'm even more tempted to offload him before his stock plummets.

This, but Monster energy drink and strawberry vape.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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This, but Monster energy drink and strawberry vape.

Oh hell yes! You made my day.