WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

[mjp]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

The XOH one, he was just too quick for our players, we couldn't catch him - that is just a player that was athletically too good.

See - this is where you and I have geometrically opposite versions of what is required to play football as part of a successful side.

I have no issue if you are beat. That's fine. But to simply STOP CHASING (and never really chase to begin with in the case of English)...well, there's no excuse for that. And if you fast forward 5 mins from the XOH goal English actually wins possession of the ball and takes off - including a running bounce - and quite literally 3x the speed he 'chased' (well, 'jogged in the same direction as' would be a better description) as O'Halloran.

This is the effort stuff that plagues us mate. It is not just the effort though - it is the body language that goes with it. If one person stops fighting for their seat on the bus (in every game there are 36 players but only 18 chairs!) and lets their oppo have it, well - that sends a message to the rest of their mates it's ok to simply stop fighting.

The 'optics' need to be right. Can't keep up? Cool. Run as FAST AS YOU CAN in trying. Make it clear that it is still important to you.

All of this stuff aside, I'm really happy with the way we're playing right now and am certainly on the side of 'beating GWS on a rainy Sat night in Canberra is a GOOD OUTCOME'...

My original response was about STRUCTURE when I was basically saying we were/are structured up well pretty much all night - but sometimes poor efforts/lack of concentration cause things to look like the structures/set-ups are broken...

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

Giants lost the game.

Just like we lost our last 2 finals after holding commanding leads. If you're happy ignoring our issues so long as we're beating bottom 6 sides then that's OK. But I want wider improvement in areas we are weak in.

[Bornadog]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

See - this is where you and I have geometrically opposite versions of what is required to play football as part of a successful side.

Simply not true. I may not be a coach, I am a simple supporter, but I can observe what is happening and agree with most of what you say, however

I have no issue if you are beat. That's fine. But to simply STOP CHASING (and never really chase to begin with in the case of English)...well, there's no excuse for that. ..

I re-watched this passage of play, and Dale gave up the chase, as he was the one on XOH, English got involved and chased , but just didn't have the pace to go with XOH.

At the end of the day, we can pick out lots of things that happen on field where there is lack of effort, skill errors, laziness, but the important thing is winning.

[mjp]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

Simply not true. I may not be a coach, I am a simple supporter, but I can observe what is happening and agree with most of what you say...

I didn't mean it like that...it's just that whenever we disagree it is on our assessment of effort based stuff. Your understanding of the game is > mine because you get to watch more live AFL footy than me. I watch the Dogs live twice a year if I'm lucky - outside of that, I watch u18 footy live and Bulldogs games on tv. The u18 stuff is a different SPORT!

[hujsh]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

2 goals great, hitouts great, but 7 disposals not good enough, but like Jamarra, the wet conditions didn't help

I think your expectations of Lobb are a bit off. I don?t think he’s a high possession player but high impact with the touches he does get. The game at Marvel against us being a good example 4 goals but less than 10 touches IIRC.

[GVGjr]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

It's like there's no room for constructive criticism after a win. You seem to be content with us finishing on the edge of the 8 and always look for excuses when we fail to go further.

I'm not happy just pottering around the 8. I'd prefer us to rebuild or pull the finger out and push the top 4 like the club believes we can.

If you're wanting everyone to come on here and say hooray we won everything is awesome then fine I'll shut up.

Of course there is. We shouldn't be content with an around the 8 result.
The good part is there is still plenty of scope for improvement.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

Of course there is. We shouldn't be content with an around the 8 result.
The good part is there is still plenty of scope for improvement.

Absolutely.
One of the real positives last night for me was how expansive Bevo was in his assessment of our deficiencies last night. Its clear the depth of understanding of what we do well, what we don't ,and what we want to do is top shelf. I don't think players would be confused as to what is expected, and what it looks like when they don't execute or perform their role.

[macca]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

Great observation @YHFoxtrot. He was very calm and measured.

We are still a work in progress and there are still lapses in our game amongst the players. The 4 goal momentum they gained in last quarter was probably one of the indications, and Tom green kicking 3 goals and Ward 2 shows our lapses.

It was a good press conference.

We were lucky they had 3 posters.

[mjp]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

Great observation @YHFoxtrot. He was very calm and measured.

We are still a work in progress and there are still lapses in our game amongst the players. The 4 goal momentum they gained in last quarter was probably one of the indications, and Tom green kicking 3 goals and Ward 2 shows our lapses.

It was a good press conference.

We were lucky they had 3 posters.

Posters should be worth 9-points.

[GVGjr]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

Posters should be worth 9-points.

Are you interviewing for a role on the rules committee?

[mjp]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

Are you interviewing for a role on the rules committee?

It's a less stupid idea that the stand rule.

[merantau]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

There needs to be a forensic review to pinpoint HOW they got those four goals on the trot. We just CANNOT allow that to keep happening

Similarly, giving up goals in the last couple of minutes/seconds of a quarter. It's a trait that has become our trademark and I AM SICK OF IT!!! Grrrr!

[macca]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

It's a less stupid idea that the stand rule.

I am ok with stupid ideas, as long as they are consistently stupid.

I hope that read in the right funny way.

[DISHLICKERS]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

In the last month the team has gone to Adelaide then Perth back to Melbourne then Canberra.

Not too many Vic Clubs have had that type of month if any.

I think there may have been some element of fatigue in that last qtr.

Glad we stopped the run on and got the 4 points in tough conditions against an opposition that has some talent.

[Grantysghost]

Re: WB Game Day V GWS Giants R8 2023 Sat 6/5, 7:25PM - Manuka Oval, Canberra

Posters should be worth 9-points.

You have to nominate prior to the kick though.