Sharp Axes

[GVGjr]

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Our list is good enough to take 20-40 point leads. List not over rated at this point.

Our list is bad enough to lose after 20-40 point leads. List is over rated at this point.

This is the part that frustrates me. The easy observation is to blame the list when we lose but it's a lot more complex than that.

[bulldogtragic]

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Our list is close, but needs a tweak, especially from the backline and transitioning forward. By tweak, I mean some better players, and that is hard to do. I want to go to draft and no more hasbeens from other clubs. This should also mean trading out some good players for picks and bringing in what we need.

Losses of 7 points to Suns, 12 to Pies, 2 to Swans, 5 to Giants and 3 to Hawks says we aren't far away from top 4.
However, you can't rely on having your best team on the park every week, so you need decent backups - we haven't got any.

Which good players make way to bring the talent in?

[Bornadog]

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Which good players make way to bring the talent in?

I knew you would ask me.

I would seriously consider someone like Bailey Dale and Bailey Smith, if we could get a first rounder. I know we need them but.

[bulldogtragic]

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This is the part that frustrates me. The easy observation is to blame the list when we lose but it's a lot more complex than that.

Yep. I don’t think our problems are that simple. I wish it were. I think the cure is broad too.

[lemmon]

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I do get the concerns with some of the levels of talent on our list, but the 22 that Colllingwood put out on the weekend had McStay and Mihocek playing key forward, an undersized Murphy and Billy Frampton playing key back and pretty 'honest' try-ers in Oleg Markov, John Noble, McCreery, Tom Mitchell, Taylor Adams and Lipinski.

Are we really that behind in talent in terms of the side we put out on the weekend?

[mjp]

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I don?t know exactly. It feels like we are getting the ?Rope a dope? treatment. We go out thrashing around putting points on the board, and then get pummeled by Ali to a loss.

Maybe against the Giants and Swans.

The Hawks just didn't let us have the ball in q3. They owned it. We wanted to sag back defensively and let them inflict death by 1000 cuts. Yesterday - in q3 - we needed to:

1/. Acknowledge what was happening.
2/. Get an extra, or 2, or 3, or 4, or 5 or however many it took to the contest to actually GET THE BALL.
3/. When we get it, just take a moment. Look early, then look late. Don't look early then just say stuff it, kick to a contest. Let it develop.
4/. When Hawthorn got it - everyone needs to stick their elbow in the CHEST (not back) of their oppo and deny the leading lanes. And if you were on the fatside, restrict the width by standing OUTSIDE your man and not allowing them the spread us out. Fight through it.

I think we are doing everyone a dis-service by putting the Hawks game in the same boat as the others...even vs Collingwood when they kicked six in a row, they were 'on top' but not overwhelmingly dominant...yesterday we simply could not get the ball.

[bulldogtragic]

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I knew you would ask me.

I would seriously consider someone like Bailey Dale and Bailey Smith, if we could get a first rounder. I know we need them but.

I tend to agree. This year it really needs to be a top 10 pick to avoid a Croft bid after pick shuffling/other bids. I can only see Smith, English or Naughton getting us that though.

[Grantysghost]

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I knew you would ask me.

I would seriously consider someone like Bailey Dale and Bailey Smith, if we could get a first rounder. I know we need them but.

Throw Bailey Williams in there for the set.

[Bornadog]

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I tend to agree. This year it really needs to be a top 10 pick to avoid a Croft bid after pick shuffling/other bids. I can only see Smith, English or Naughton getting us that though.

English and Naughton are off limits for me.

[jeemak]

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This is the part that frustrates me. The easy observation is to blame the list when we lose but it's a lot more complex than that.

It's the same with coaching. We're coached well enough to get leads, but apparently not well enough to keep/ capitalise on them.

[Grantysghost]

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It's the same with coaching. We're coached well enough to get leads, but apparently not well enough to keep/ capitalise on them.

It's the eternal unknown question.

Average list great coach or great list average coach.

I think the former.

Only thing I wonder is Bevo goes to the well with the "themes" to motivate.

Does this remove the ability for the players to self motivate?

[bulldogtragic]

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English and Naughton are off limits for me.

So Smith it is.

[Bornadog]

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So Smith it is.

I don't want to lose him, but for the sake of the team and the future, we need players in roles to plug gaps

[The bulldog tragician]

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I do get the concerns with some of the levels of talent on our list, but the 22 that Colllingwood put out on the weekend had McStay and Mihocek playing key forward, an undersized Murphy and Billy Frampton playing key back and pretty 'honest' try-ers in Oleg Markov, John Noble, McCreery, Tom Mitchell, Taylor Adams and Lipinski.

Are we really that behind in talent in terms of the side we put out on the weekend?

Really good points, and look at some of the 2016 group for some guys that were limited, but such was the buy-in and commitment of the group - and the magic of the coaches at that point - that they could achieve so much.

[bulldogtragic]

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I don't want to loser him, but for the sake of the team and the future, we need players in roles to plug gaps

Well, I tend to agree. If we can get a top 10 for him then I say do it. But Smith isn’t really playing like a guy who commands a top 10 pick unfortunately. But who knows if Geelong feel the need to trade big.