Sharp Axes

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Leon Cameron for Kingsley supports the Bevo out crew.
He's really turned them around.

Mcrae after Buckley too. I fully believe a different coach can get a lot more out of our list. It has to be the right coach though.

[bulldogtragic]

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Leon Cameron for Kingsley supports the Bevo out crew.
He's really turned them around.

They traded some good players out too. They look reborn. Unlike us.

[angelopetraglia]

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Leon Cameron for Kingsley supports the Bevo out crew.
He's really turned them around.

And the Brad Scott taking over from Rutten does the opposite. Also Port backing in Hinkley also does the opposite.

You can pick any proof points to back your argument. There are are so many that go both ways.

[Grantysghost]

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And the Brad Scott taking over from Rutten does the opposite. Also Port backing in Hinkley also does the opposite.

You can pick any proof points to back your argument. There are are so many that go both ways.

It was more they started the same year and had similar tenures.
I'm keep Bevo for now.

[Eastdog]

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It was more they started the same year and had similar tenures.
I'm keep Bevo for now.

Must be change around him. Need to work out what has happened this year after the internal expectation was very high.

[angelopetraglia]

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It was more they started the same year and had similar tenures.
I'm keep Bevo for now.

I'm sitting on the fence and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I can see both sides of the argument. I have been a long time supporter of Bevo, but the second half of this season has shaken my resolve.

I'm just hoping someone is taking a serious look and will make what they believe will be the right decision for the club. It is hard for us to judge everything from afar without inside knowledge and living and breathing it every day.

At a minimum we need an overhaul of the football department. If they decide that Bevo isn't the right man for the job on what they are seeing and hearing, I'm OK with that too. We just need to be decisive and make the right calls.

[macca]

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I'm sitting on the fence and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I can see both sides of the argument. I have been a long time supporter of Bevo, but the second half of this season has shaken my resolve.

I'm just hoping someone is taking a serious look and will make what they believe will be the right decision for the club. It is hard for us to judge everything from afar without inside knowledge and living and breathing it every day.

At a minimum we need an overhaul of the football department. If they decide that Bevo isn't the right man for the job on what they are seeing and hearing, I'm OK with that too. We just need to be decisive and make the right calls.

@angelT , I just alluded to that in the improvements thread. Pretty much what I Was thinking. hope this review exams all aspects of the club.

[Hotdog60]

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Since the AFL made all the cuts to the footy department since Covid and a lot of staff had to be let go could the stress of having to cover so many other duties have taken its toll.
Shouldn't the head coach just worry about coaching but it sounds from the outside looking in that Bevo has been covering multiple roles and this could be having an effect on his match day coaching.
I hope if this is the case we can get that support and let the coach, coach.

[Bullies]

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And the Brad Scott taking over from Rutten does the opposite. Also Port backing in Hinkley also does the opposite.

You can pick any proof points to back your argument. There are are so many that go both ways.

Brad Scott is the biggest fraud in footy. Essendon deserve what they got.

[Bullies]

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Yep. I was hoping we were at rock bottom. I can?t yet see where rock bottom is from here. But I still think this off season list period is going to be the biggest shot show since 2014. So there?s that in the near term.

If Bevo hangs around we are a long way off rock bottom. He should do the honourable thing but he won't. We will waste another year and at the same time fail to re sign some of our big names.

As I have said before Bevo is more a Peoples coach and relies in the buy in of players rather than being a great tactician and once you lose the players it is downhill.

I listened to Nathan Buckley and he said he had learnt so much from his first stint as coach and if he coached again he wouldn't be so regimented. He is considered one of the best tacticians.

[bulldogtragic]

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If Bevo hangs around we are a long way off rock bottom. He should do the honourable thing but he won't. We will waste another year and at the same time fail to re sign some of our big names.

As I have said before Bevo is more a Peoples coach and relies in the buy in of players rather than being a great tactician and once you lose the players it is downhill.

I listened to Nathan Buckley and he said he had learnt so much from his first stint as coach and if he coached again he wouldn't be so regimented. He is considered one of the best tacticians.

I think it’s now obvious we need to rebuild.

A) rebuild with a tired looking Bevo risking that he might go might go early, or

B) rebuild with a new coach from the beginning and set a new course

I’m pretty sure Bevo has said publicly he wasn’t a coach for life type. This rebuild will take years and then management into the next finals where I wouldn’t mind being so dominant as to finishing top 4. The time has come…

Unless all we need is some luck, some tinkering and Liam Henry and Tomlinson to fix everything as we expect to rise up the ladder.

[GVGjr]

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Since the AFL made all the cuts to the footy department since Covid and a lot of staff had to be let go could the stress of having to cover so many other duties have taken its toll.
Shouldn't the head coach just worry about coaching but it sounds from the outside looking in that Bevo has been covering multiple roles and this could be having an effect on his match day coaching.
I hope if this is the case we can get that support and let the coach, coach.

Most coaches want more say not less and without a lot of thought I can only think of Terry Wallace who had some boundaries on what he should and shouldn't have control of. Wrestling control from Bevo won't be easy and might not even be possible and there are some good reasons for that as the buck typically stops with the Head coach.
I actually agree with you that there could be some merit in having a coach that coaches the team that is given to him and not having as much say on managing the list etc but I feel that isn't going to happen until another club successfully implements it.

[whythelongface]

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I think it’s now obvious we need to rebuild.

A) rebuild with a tired looking Bevo risking that he might go might go early, or

B) rebuild with a new coach from the beginning and set a new course

I’m pretty sure Bevo has said publicly he wasn’t a coach for life type. This rebuild will take years and then management into the next finals where I wouldn’t mind being so dominant as to finishing top 4. The time has come…

Unless all we need is some luck, some tinkering and Liam Henry and Tomlinson to fix everything as we expect to rise up the ladder.

You keep talking about a rebuild but what does this look like? We have an exciting group of young/ ish players < 26 thus don’t need a full rebuild in the Hawthorn/ North sense. We can actually build around most of our team and add a few missing pieces - look at our talent - Marra, Darcy, Naughton, JOD, English (just 26), Poulter, Richards, Weightman, Smith (maybe), West, Williams - that is 10 established players you can build a team around. Then throw in Bont, Daniel, Dale - all 27/28. Plus there is Busslinger, maybe Gallagher and Clarke and you start to have a pretty good core group of players. No need to have a complete rebuild - build the list around ths group and we are competing in a couple of years.

We need some speedy, hard working, win the ball at all cost type players in the mids and maybe another key defender but we have the makings of a bloody good list.

[GVGjr]

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You keep talking about a rebuild but what does this look like? We have an exciting group of young/ ish players < 26 thus don’t need a full rebuild in the Hawthorn/ North sense. We can actually build around most of our team and add a few missing pieces - look at our talent - Marra, Darcy, Naughton, JOD, English (just 26), Poulter, Richards, Weightman, Smith (maybe), West, Williams - that is 10 established players you can build a team around. Then throw in Bont, Daniel, Dale - all 27/28. Plus there is Busslinger, maybe Gallagher and Clarke and you start to have a pretty good core group of players. No need to have a complete rebuild - build the list around ths group and we are competing in a couple of years.

We need some speedy, hard working, win the ball at all cost type players in the mids and maybe another key defender but we have the makings of a bloody good list.

I think the rebuild type scenario that BT is referring to is by moving some good players on now to acquire draft picks and a considerable war chest for the future. It would mean taking a hit now (2024) for a quick rebound.
The benefit might be building a team around the Marra, Darcy, Naughton, perhaps Smith, Weightman, JOD core group.
The counter is that you waste a year of the Bont era and if you get it wrong it might be 2 or more years.

Love to know what the club thinks of the list now and how different that now is from 12 months ago.

[Grantysghost]

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We'd have to look at moving Macrae.

He's not in Bevo's plans.

If a team wants him for a second rounder I'd do it and I really love Jacko.

But time for emotional attachment is gone.