Sharp Axes

[anfo27]

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I called for Bevo to go very early, the main reason was he wasn't getting the best out of the playing group. Thats changed to my eye so I'm happy for Bevo to remain. A lot of work to do but getting rid of Bevo isn't one of them but rather finding ways to complement what he does.

[Hotdog60]

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The problem I see with us is we lack leg speed you can't put pressure on a kicker if you are chasing 5 metres behind.
I hate to say it but we need to replace Daniel, Duryea, Macrae, Liberatore and Treloar.

Daniel has been a great player for us but he has no penetration in his kicking and he stops and props every time he gets the ball which wasn't so much the case earlier on in his career.
Duryea tries his guts out but faster small forwards leave him in their wake.
Macrae I like but he is one paced and is a liability in the middle which is his A one spot.
Liberatore is a player that gives his all but speed is an issue again in the middle could he become a small forward for a season while he mentors Sanders.
Treloar has had a great season but another player that doesn't chase when required and this could be because of his soft tissue issues but last night it looked like Chol just strolled past him on the wing and Adam didn't even bother with trying to pressure him.

Next season we need some speed and grit into the midfield and some of these guys if they are still around need to help hand over the reins.

[anfo27]

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The problem I see with us is we lack leg speed you can't put pressure on a kicker if you are chasing 5 metres behind.
I hate to say it but we need to replace Daniel, Duryea, Macrae, Liberatore and Treloar.

Daniel has been a great player for us but he has no penetration in his kicking and he stops and props every time he gets the ball which wasn't so much the case earlier on in his career.
Duryea tries his guts out but faster small forwards leave him in their wake.
Macrae I like but he is one paced and is a liability in the middle which is his A one spot.
Liberatore is a player that gives his all but speed is an issue again in the middle could he become a small forward for a season while he mentors Sanders.
Treloar has had a great season but another player that doesn't chase when required and this could be because of his soft tissue issues but last night it looked like Chol just strolled past him on the wing and Adam didn't even bother with trying to pressure him.

Next season we need some speed and grit into the midfield and some of these guys if they are still around need to help hand over the reins.

Every team looks slow when they lose. It was mental last night not physical. They just played with freedom, we on the other hand played with the freedom of a Dan Andrews lockdown.

[SonofScray]

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Throwing a few comments out for consideration. Am absolutely livid even after a nights sleep so if you find it offensive, please feel free to get bent.


The relationship between Bont and Bevo is unhealthy. Much in the same way how a team in transition saw Johnno, Smith, West and co waxing and struggling to bring new players into the fold, it’s getting in the way.

The key tenet of of Bevo’s tenure is the unconditional love and support and loyalty to people at the Club. I think that’s an ego thing now and while it’s admirable, is unnecessary, dishonest and distracting.

The celebrations “you f’n ripper” with the players post GWS game look pathetic now. Loser mentality. Not good enough to just make it.

Teams that get belted repeatedly in finals don’t go on to win flags. We knew 2021 was gong to leave a scar and have seen that, but 19, 22 and 24 have been disastrous on that front too.

Members are not external noise.

2025 is already a wasted year. I’m not going to be showing any good will, full pressure, right out of the blocks. Not stopping until he is gone.

[Hotdog60]

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Throwing a few comments out for consideration. Am absolutely livid even after a nights sleep so if you find it offensive, please feel free to get bent.


The relationship between Bont and Bevo is unhealthy. Much in the same way how a team in transition saw Johnno, Smith, West and co waxing and struggling to bring new players into the fold, it’s getting in the way.

The key tenet of of Bevo’s tenure is the unconditional love and support and loyalty to people at the Club. I think that’s an ego thing now and while it’s admirable, is unnecessary, dishonest and distracting.

The celebrations “you f’n ripper” with the players post GWS game look pathetic now. Loser mentality. Not good enough to just make it.

Teams that get belted repeatedly in finals don’t go on to win flags. We knew 2021 was gong to leave a scar and have seen that, but 19, 22 and 24 have been disastrous on that front too.

Members are not external noise.

2025 is already a wasted year. I’m not going to be showing any good will, full pressure, right out of the blocks. Not stopping until he is gone.

I'm sharpening my axe at Spangher our forward line should be performing better than it is and I know it's all about how it comes in but they should be giving better options for up field.
Also a forward coach should know how to get players to kick straight so Johnson shouldn't be needed.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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I'm sharpening my axe at Spangher our forward line should be performing better than it is and I know it's all about how it comes in but they should be giving better options for up field.
Also a forward coach should know how to get players to kick straight so Johnson shouldn't be needed.

I thought we were a small too short in the forward line. It came out of our forward so quickly all night. We never kept it in there.

[macca]

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I thought we were a small too short in the forward line. It came out of our forward so quickly all night. We never kept it in there.

This has been a problem for us all year . With final's pressure these gaps just flare up.

I agree with @bulldogsthr&thur point that fwd line has fwd pressure definicency. So many times saw missed tackles. So it is either the technique is poor or they were too quick.

The number of set shots missed last night was just bewildering.

[soupman]

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I thought we were a small too short in the forward line. It came out of our forward so quickly all night. We never kept it in there.

I thought we did a pretty good job of stifling their ball movement out of defence for most of the first half. It was once they started to really dominate territory and we were holding them back from half back instead of half forward that we got overwhelmed, and never really wrestled that momentum off them.

[Mantis]

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I'm sharpening my axe at Spangher our forward line should be performing better than it is and I know it's all about how it comes in but they should be giving better options for up field.
Also a forward coach should know how to get players to kick straight so Johnson shouldn't be needed.

We were the 2nd highest scoring team all year so not sure Spangher is at fault, and last night we had **** all inside 50?s in Q2 & Q3 which was the issue.

Do agree our conversion needs to improve? Marra has a huge mental problem with it and it needs to be rectified 3 years ago. Wish he spent more time posting videos of himself practicing his goal kicking technique compared with functional movement exercises and boxing.

[JanLorMill]

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Let’s do another review

[bulldogtragic]

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Didn?t know where to post this exactly. But why can?t we adjust in games? We?ve turned up to play in the last three finals

Led by 8 points at HT in 2021
Led by 6 points at TQT in 2022
Led by 12 points at QT in 2024

So we can start finals well enough. But can?t put four quarters together. Why?

[Sedat]

Re: Sharp Axes

Throwing a few comments out for consideration. Am absolutely livid even after a nights sleep so if you find it offensive, please feel free to get bent.


The relationship between Bont and Bevo is unhealthy. Much in the same way how a team in transition saw Johnno, Smith, West and co waxing and struggling to bring new players into the fold, it?s getting in the way.

The key tenet of of Bevo?s tenure is the unconditional love and support and loyalty to people at the Club. I think that?s an ego thing now and while it?s admirable, is unnecessary, dishonest and distracting.

The celebrations ?you f?n ripper? with the players post GWS game look pathetic now. Loser mentality. Not good enough to just make it.

Teams that get belted repeatedly in finals don?t go on to win flags. We knew 2021 was gong to leave a scar and have seen that, but 19, 22 and 24 have been disastrous on that front too.

Members are not external noise.

2025 is already a wasted year. I?m not going to be showing any good will, full pressure, right out of the blocks. Not stopping until he is gone.

Whilst I disagree with your position on Bevo having the ultimate responsibility for our recent finals failures (I think the senior players need to share much more of that accountability than they currently do), you always raise interesting points and do so from a clear passion for the club to get better - I love that stuff.

You need a coach to have the players back and you need the players to have the coach's back. Otherwise success (if any) will be fleeting - see Melbourne, who have destroyed a dynasty. Bevo is enormously loyal and protective of the players, and up to this year it was getting to the stage where this unwavering loyalty would cost him his job. But this year he has pulled different strings and forced established senior players into changing roles for the betterment of team success (was 18 months too late but better late than never). The next evolution of this is what he does with English, Libba and Treloar moving forward, because after getting a huge smack in the mouth last night he would be as aware as anybody that two-way running and speed and the ability to cover the entire ground in midfield are non-negotiables, not to mention having a ruckman who is assertive and competitive at stoppage.

He deserves to see out the contract next year and if we are trending in the right direction he deserves an extension of 2 years. If we fall away next year, and especially if we don't add pieces to our best 23 that are in line with modern tactics/expectations, he will finish up with us this time next year. I'm far more interested in the players (particularly the ones I mentioned earlier) and how they respond to what took place last night - I'll give Treloar an out as he was hampered by injury (he probably shouldn't have been selected but that's another story).

This competition is brutal and he is 7-6 in finals and has made September 7 out of 10 times and 2 GF's. It's a very good record - not the absolute best but better than most. The senior players need to own a lot of last night - yes there were a couple of puzzling positional moves/tactics but he switched the magnets around (unlike Hinkley the night before) and tried to get things moving on the night.

Just maybe Hawthorn started their premiership push against us in R8 (they have gone 15-4 since then). They remind me of Richmond 2017, who were a laughing stock in the middle of that season when they lost 2-3 unlosable games.

[W W Biscuit]

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I thought we were a small too short in the forward line. It came out of our forward so quickly all night. We never kept it in there.

For some reason, this phrase is really messing with my mind.

[GVGjr]

Re: Sharp Axes

Throwing a few comments out for consideration. Am absolutely livid even after a nights sleep so if you find it offensive, please feel free to get bent.


The relationship between Bont and Bevo is unhealthy. Much in the same way how a team in transition saw Johnno, Smith, West and co waxing and struggling to bring new players into the fold, it’s getting in the way.

The key tenet of of Bevo’s tenure is the unconditional love and support and loyalty to people at the Club. I think that’s an ego thing now and while it’s admirable, is unnecessary, dishonest and distracting.

The celebrations “you f’n ripper” with the players post GWS game look pathetic now. Loser mentality. Not good enough to just make it.

Teams that get belted repeatedly in finals don’t go on to win flags. We knew 2021 was gong to leave a scar and have seen that, but 19, 22 and 24 have been disastrous on that front too.

Members are not external noise.

2025 is already a wasted year. I’m not going to be showing any good will, full pressure, right out of the blocks. Not stopping until he is gone.

We've been exchanging views for more than 20 years and you know I respect your opinions even when they differ greatly from mine.
There is a lot of work in front of the club, structurally the list is close to where we need it to be but this will be a challenging trade and draft period for us. We've got some hard calls to make and probably given our ladder position some tough clubs to deal with.
It's essential we make a lot of right calls on players.

I'm not anywhere near the 'Bevo has to go' position and I think there is even some reasons why we could even be talking about an extension but a lot of that will be determined on the decisions we make in the next few months.

[Bornadog]

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I'm sharpening my axe at Spangher our forward line should be performing better than it is and I know it's all about how it comes in but they should be giving better options for up field.
Also a forward coach should know how to get players to kick straight so Johnson shouldn't be needed.

Yet we kicked the second highest points for , for the year.