Sharp Axes

[EasternWest]

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I am not sure your problem with this comment.

Have some faith or give up. That's it? That's the only two options? Nothing in between? Not room for conversation? Not room for nuance? Just a binary be a suckhole or quit?

It's a crap comment and it's beneath you.

[Rocket Science]

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It's easy to sympathise with the idea this group just needs the air cleared and a fresh voice but must confess I'm also sympathetic to the coach whose job prospects are wedded to a playing list that's a disjointed work in progress, wracked with structural defects and carries half a dozen sub-standard types who struggle at the level more weeks than not.

We're the poster boys for bipolarity and perhaps another coach can wring more out of what we have but there's a sobering argument to be made we're just not equipped to trouble the competition's elite unless a handful of usual suspects plonk the rest on their backs and I'm unconvinced a different bloke blowing the whistle fixes that.

I mean fine, pick your ideal Bevo replacement then digest the fact he's still going to be stuffed for competent wingers, reliable key defenders and 2nd rotation mids.

[EasternWest]

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It's easy to sympathise with the idea this group just needs the air cleared and a fresh voice but must confess I'm also sympathetic to the coach whose job prospects are wedded to a playing list that's a disjointed work in progress, wracked with structural defects and carries half a dozen sub-standard types who struggle at the level more weeks than not.

We're the poster boys for bipolarity and perhaps another coach can wring more out of what we have but there's a sobering argument to be made we're just not equipped to trouble the competition's elite unless a handful of usual suspects plonk the rest on their backs and I'm unconvinced a different bloke blowing the whistle fixes that.

I mean fine, pick your ideal Bevo replacement then digest the fact he's still going to be stuffed for competent wingers, reliable key defenders and 2nd rotation mids.

I agree with all of this and as I said earlier in the thread I'm not really in the sack Beveridge camp. But I am interested in the discussion because this tripe can't go on (insert that's where you're wrong kiddo meme).

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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I agree with all of this and as I said earlier in the thread I'm not really in the sack Beveridge camp. But I am interested in the discussion because this tripe can't go on (insert that's where you're wrong kiddo meme).

Yeah it could very well be the players letting the coach down but the coach has to set the tone. And then we go about re-signing the same guys who let the coach down such as Williams.....

[EasternWest]

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Yeah it could very well be the players letting the coach down but the coach has to set the tone. And then we go about re-signing the same guys who let the coach down such as Williams.....

Yeah but at least ole Bails had a good yuck yuck yuck about it afterwards (I should say I don't actually care that much about the laughing pic even though it doesn't look awesome).

[Guest]

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I’m firmly in the Bevo Out camp and have been for a few years now. My opinions are my own and they may be right, probably wrong, but they’re mine.
For me this started when Bevo called for a rebuild / refresh in the middle of 2017 and rode out the season playing kids at the expense of premiership players. He, along with Chris Grant saw the writing on the wall and made an early move to rejig the team – rightly or wrongly, he got his way and was green-lighted into building a team more akin to his footballing philosophies.

He and Grant gave copious interviews throughout 2018 and 19 detailing how we’re changing course and whilst we aim to win every game, we are the youngest team in the league for a reason. We rolled out young team after young team, not quite bottoming out but bad enough to snag a few pretty good top10 kids in the process.

Fast forward 7 years, this is Bevo’s team. Warts and all. He’s had his finger on the pulse, as he should, he’s the head coach, of all footballing matters – recruitment, retention, game style / strategy. We can’t look at this team now and say that it has glaring holes and is imbalanced. He’s been at the club for 10 years crafting this list and he owns every bit of it, good and bad.

Bevo’s charm / idiosyncrasies such, Naughton permanent forward and not ever being swung back because, Bevo, zone defending, backing 5m off the mark, Thursday night selection bingo, phone box backwards handballs, Daniel back pocket, waiting 7 years for English to learn how to ruck, the 4 headed impotent monster and the countless other things that I’m sure we could all reel off – none of that will change. They’re the byproduct of his leadership of the football department which he has essentially run for a decade.

I believe he’s had ample time to rebuild this list and have our club in apposition where we’re not losing games to the worst teams of the last 20 years. Our highs are no longer high enough to cover the ever-present lows we all see most weeks and it’s time. It was time last year. The end comes for everyone no matter who you are, and by god his time is well and truly up! (In my opinion)

[josie]

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I’m firmly in the Bevo Out camp and have been for a few years now. My opinions are my own and they may be right, probably wrong, but they’re mine.
For me this started when Bevo called for a rebuild / refresh in the middle of 2017 and rode out the season playing kids at the expense of premiership players. He, along with Chris Grant saw the writing on the wall and made an early move to rejig the team – rightly or wrongly, he got his way and was green-lighted into building a team more akin to his footballing philosophies.

He and Grant gave copious interviews throughout 2018 and 19 detailing how we’re changing course and whilst we aim to win every game, we are the youngest team in the league for a reason. We rolled out young team after young team, not quite bottoming out but bad enough to snag a few pretty good top10 kids in the process.

Fast forward 7 years, this is Bevo’s team. Warts and all. He’s had his finger on the pulse, as he should, he’s the head coach, of all footballing matters – recruitment, retention, game style / strategy. We can’t look at this team now and say that it has glaring holes and is imbalanced. He’s been at the club for 10 years crafting this list and he owns every bit of it, good and bad.

Bevo’s charm / idiosyncrasies such, Naughton permanent forward and not ever being swung back because, Bevo, zone defending, backing 5m off the mark, Thursday night selection bingo, phone box backwards handballs, Daniel back pocket, waiting 7 years for English to learn how to ruck, the 4 headed impotent monster and the countless other things that I’m sure we could all reel off – none of that will change. They’re the byproduct of his leadership of the football department which he has essentially run for a decade.

I believe he’s had ample time to rebuild this list and have our club in apposition where we’re not losing games to the worst teams of the last 20 years. Our highs are no longer high enough to cover the ever-present lows we all see most weeks and it’s time. It was time last year. The end comes for everyone no matter who you are, and by god his time is well and truly up! (In my opinion)

Good post. I kinda waiver a bit but yeah, unfortunately I think if I had to jump one way or the other, I think you?re right. I hope you?re wrong though!!

I started becoming very worried after ?21 GF when I heard there was no detailed review with players.

Nothing since then has stopped the worry, despite the optimistic messages, revamp of WO, turnover of players & assistant coaches, reviews etc. I hope for good outcomes but I no longer trust my team to deliver them.

[Danjul]

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It's easy to sympathise with the idea this group just needs the air cleared and a fresh voice but must confess I'm also sympathetic to the coach whose job prospects are wedded to a playing list that's a disjointed work in progress, wracked with structural defects and carries half a dozen sub-standard types who struggle at the level more weeks than not.

We're the poster boys for bipolarity and perhaps another coach can wring more out of what we have but there's a sobering argument to be made we're just not equipped to trouble the competition's elite unless a handful of usual suspects plonk the rest on their backs and I'm unconvinced a different bloke blowing the whistle fixes that.

I mean fine, pick your ideal Bevo replacement then digest the fact he's still going to be stuffed for competent wingers, reliable key defenders and 2nd rotation mids.

You have nailed it. I don?t care who is coaching but I want everyone who is responsible for such a structural imbalance gone.
(to be replaced by knowledgeable WOOF members)

[Danjul]

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Good post. I kinda waiver a bit but yeah, unfortunately I think if I had to jump one way or the other, I think you?re right. I hope you?re wrong though!!

I started becoming very worried after ?21 GF when I heard there was no detailed review with players.

Nothing since then has stopped the worry, despite the optimistic messages, revamp of WO, turnover of players & assistant coaches, reviews etc. I hope for good outcomes but I no longer trust my team to deliver them.

What? Not during the glory days in 2017 (post bye) to mid 2020. They were 3 years of garbage for supporters.

[Hotdog60]

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I'm a Bevo fan and wish success for him and us but I'm now wondering was he just the cream to Brendan McCartney's cake.
Also we haven't replaced the hard nosed players we had back at that time it's like we have plenty of ying and very little yang.

Please Bevo get something going as we've been spinning wheels for awhile now.

[GVGjr]

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I’m firmly in the Bevo Out camp and have been for a few years now. My opinions are my own and they may be right, probably wrong, but they’re mine.
For me this started when Bevo called for a rebuild / refresh in the middle of 2017 and rode out the season playing kids at the expense of premiership players. He, along with Chris Grant saw the writing on the wall and made an early move to rejig the team – rightly or wrongly, he got his way and was green-lighted into building a team more akin to his footballing philosophies.

He and Grant gave copious interviews throughout 2018 and 19 detailing how we’re changing course and whilst we aim to win every game, we are the youngest team in the league for a reason. We rolled out young team after young team, not quite bottoming out but bad enough to snag a few pretty good top10 kids in the process.

Fast forward 7 years, this is Bevo’s team. Warts and all. He’s had his finger on the pulse, as he should, he’s the head coach, of all footballing matters – recruitment, retention, game style / strategy. We can’t look at this team now and say that it has glaring holes and is imbalanced. He’s been at the club for 10 years crafting this list and he owns every bit of it, good and bad.

Bevo’s charm / idiosyncrasies such, Naughton permanent forward and not ever being swung back because, Bevo, zone defending, backing 5m off the mark, Thursday night selection bingo, phone box backwards handballs, Daniel back pocket, waiting 7 years for English to learn how to ruck, the 4 headed impotent monster and the countless other things that I’m sure we could all reel off – none of that will change. They’re the byproduct of his leadership of the football department which he has essentially run for a decade.

I believe he’s had ample time to rebuild this list and have our club in apposition where we’re not losing games to the worst teams of the last 20 years. Our highs are no longer high enough to cover the ever-present lows we all see most weeks and it’s time. It was time last year. The end comes for everyone no matter who you are, and by god his time is well and truly up! (In my opinion)

Excellent contribution and many thanks for it, I think we would all hope to see a few more like it.

To me it's clear that we haven't delivered on our talent but more than most I cut the club some slack for our performance last year given all the challenges we had training away from the WO, a makeshift gym and no home ground for a our VFL side.
On top of that for whatever reason Grant didn't replace Chris Maple form position that the club in place prior to the 2016 flag.
That has been fixed now.

Now that we are back with all the pieces in place including a new assistant coach it's going to be a lot harder to lower expectations and accept a a performance that doesn't have at least a top 8 result.
I really don't want to be be reading constant reports in the media about Bevo's future but that is the nature of business when coaches are in charge of under performing sides.

For many reasons it's all on the line this year. We have traded and recruited like a contending team for a few years now so if that's how the club see's this side then as supporters we need to have lofty goals and question them if we don't deliver on that.

I get that Bevo is the front man for all this although Grant's future should also be linked to the results from his football department.

As supporters we might to to strap ourselves in for a bumpy ride and it's only our ability to rack up some consecutive wins that will start to ease some of the pressure. Given the disappointing performance against Melbourne this game against Gold Coast is really shaping as an important one for the club.

[Go_Dogs]

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I?ve been thinking about how this team deals with expectations - not just expectations to win, but it can also be aligned to ?our fittest, strongest and most prepared? side, or even as far as expectations of playing a role against a certain player.

When one teammate misses the mark, it seems we very quickly drop our collective heads - be that the effort level we observe and then consistently deliver chasing tail, making position, running back into space etc.

I wonder how much sports phycology is being used with this group to help us better deal with expectation and pressure to perform, along with how we?re continuing to develop our on-field leadership so we don?t drop our heads and keep each other accountable, and lead by example to execute the plan and standards.

We?ve focussed and invested in this area. Maybe we aren?t quite seeing the results. Cultural transformation can take time.

[doggies ftw]

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It's easy to sympathise with the idea this group just needs the air cleared and a fresh voice but must confess I'm also sympathetic to the coach whose job prospects are wedded to a playing list that's a disjointed work in progress, wracked with structural defects and carries half a dozen sub-standard types who struggle at the level more weeks than not.

We're the poster boys for bipolarity and perhaps another coach can wring more out of what we have but there's a sobering argument to be made we're just not equipped to trouble the competition's elite unless a handful of usual suspects plonk the rest on their backs and I'm unconvinced a different bloke blowing the whistle fixes that.

I mean fine, pick your ideal Bevo replacement then digest the fact he's still going to be stuffed for competent wingers, reliable key defenders and 2nd rotation mids.

He?s also going to be gifted one of the best starting on ball duos in the game with the AA ruck, an elite pairing of KPFs and 2nd ruck coming through. An elite half back core etc

Every club has weaknesses, what was said about the GWS & Pies sides before their recent coach changes? Winning games of footy makes a big difference to how talented players are perceived to be.

Unless you truly believe this list isn?t talented enough to make the finals, and thus is NOT underperforming currently, then how can you judge players and a list when knowing the current coaching regime has them underperforming?

This is on Bev, you can?t sack 22 players but when you?ve had 10 years to build a team this is completely on his back, he takes all responsibility - and he?s gotta go asap so we can salvage this season

[mjp]

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This can all be resolved by moving Naughton to defence IMHO.

You mean, by moving Naughton back, dropping McNeil and putting West in the centre square right?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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You mean, by moving Naughton back, dropping McNeil and putting West in the centre square right?

With this post you know you've just given a section of posters on this forum a rage boner.. Sometimes you can be a bigger sh1tposter than EW Mike!