Sharp Axes

[AshMac]

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As soon as a coach loses the players there is no return. We have former stars on the outer - happens every single year with different players - and we continue to be beaten by our bogey teams easily and bulky the weak teams.

Last night I saw two of the worst teams play each other I?ve seen for a long time. Essendon are VFL quality at the moment and they destroyed us.

It?s one game - but one more game at the end of a very long line of one games where the same problems present and we fail to respond to a teams gameplan

[ledge]

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Can I just make a point on this loss, yes it’s bad but look at the starts from Collingwood, Brisbane, you can come good as your players start to click together, it’s been a whole new change around them.
The games we won have been big wins and I rate GC as a pretty good team.
I think we give it a few more weeks and see if we can get more consistency.
I do think this season is a no excuse season over all for Bevo though and if the stories are true about Grant and Bevo, well Grant will get his way if the season continues like last night.

[SonofScray]

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Can I just make a point on this loss, yes it’s bad but look at the starts from Collingwood, Brisbane, you can come good as your players start to click together, it’s been a whole new change around them.
The games we won have been big wins and I rate GC as a pretty good team.
I think we give it a few more weeks and see if we can get more consistency.
I do think this season is a no excuse season over all for Bevo though and if the stories are true about Grant and Bevo, well Grant will get his way if the season continues like last night.

It’s not going to turn around.

We are getting more of the same, it’s like Groundhog Day. All we are doing is delaying the inevitable and ultimately, wasting time.

[Mofra]

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Can I just make a point on this loss, yes it’s bad but look at the starts from Collingwood, Brisbane, you can come good as your players start to click together, it’s been a whole new change around them.

A loss doesn't matter.

The way you lose matters, and last night was just listless, spiritless. We fought hard against Geelong. We didn't fire a shot last night. Teams ready to be a threat in September just don't lose like that.

[ledge]

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Let’s see how we go against the saints, I think one game can be excused but if we start playing like that in two or three in a row then it’s time to get stuck into what’s going on.

[MrMahatma]

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I think the majority of people have been optimistic and hopeful that things would change and results would follow. I can see why people would find a way to convince themselves that things will be ok. But I just think it’s time. 10 years is it? It’s just time. He’d be a great coach somewhere else.

[azabob]

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Let’s see how we go against the saints, I think one game can be excused but if we start playing like that in two or three in a row then it’s time to get stuck into what’s going on.

Lyon is possibly the best tactical coach in our game right now. You think we are winning that battle of the coaches box?

[bulldogtragic]

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Lyon is possibly the best tactical coach in our game right now. You think we are winning that battle of the coaches box?

We have to just hope at this point. That’s about all we have left unless the players somehow start turning it around on field.

[Scorlibo]

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I called for time on Beveridge around this time last year, because it didn't seem to me that he was going to be able to get this group to peak again, and we needed to go through at least a soft rebuild to challenge in a few years when Bontempelli, Dale, English, Daniel are in their twilight and Richards, Smith, Naughton, Ugle-Hagan, Weightman are in their prime. For mine, it didn't seem like Bevo had the energy or the clout to guide the group through that.

Now I would be happy to be wrong on that point and see Bevo oversee that rebuild with success. Barring the Melbourne game and the most recent disaster, there were positive signs. But the dire issue is that the CLUB aren't aligned with this vision. They have continued to demand and expect a top four finish, and in doing so they are making a short term commitment to Bevo, and delaying the rebuild which I think is still unlikely to be under Bevo's direction. This is just a recipe for confusion and mediocrity, with the inevitable rebuild coming at a much larger cost.

Listening to Bevo's press conference you can hear the confusion. Contradicting himself in the same breath. "We need to give these young players experience, but we will always do what's best for the now" - what? He knows what needs to happen but he's walking a tightrope.

Our list management has mirrored the club's expectations, recruiting Lobb and Harmes, trading future picks, bringing in mature fringe players from other clubs instead of going to the draft.

The situation is similar to the aftermath of 2016, where we're holding onto the prospect of success long after it's passed, except this time we don't have the benefit of a young core group.

[Danny Delre]

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Its time

Don't mind losing if we are just not good enough, but last night he lost the players.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Lyon is possibly the best tactical coach in our game right now. You think we are winning that battle of the coaches box?

Yep. We'll get destroyed next week. Master-class coach vs Bevo. Disciplined players who work hard vs clueless players who are lazy.

[FrediKanoute]

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Why is there no point. We should have made the call straight after the season finished. What would be wrong with pulling the pin now and focussing on salvaging what we can for 2024 while building for 2025. Let Egan or Lade take over for now and start the search for next season. I find it hard to see any positives keeping him on.

I agree. Move him on now and you can salvage a season, build for 2025.

[FrediKanoute]

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Can I just make a point on this loss, yes it’s bad but look at the starts from Collingwood, Brisbane, you can come good as your players start to click together, it’s been a whole new change around them.
The games we won have been big wins and I rate GC as a pretty good team.
I think we give it a few more weeks and see if we can get more consistency.
I do think this season is a no excuse season over all for Bevo though and if the stories are true about Grant and Bevo, well Grant will get his way if the season continues like last night.

Do you honestly believe our players, with they game plan they have can turn it around? I don't.

[jeemak]

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Do you honestly believe our players, with they game plan they have can turn it around? I don't.

I think it's cute if anyone outside of the club really believes they know what our game plan is a few weeks into a season where things look a bit different, effort is inconsistent, and results have mirrored that.

Our good football against GCS was really good football, and there were some flashes of resilience, fight and class against the Cats. I think the big thing to watch out for irrespective of what the game plan might look like is effort and endeavour, and how that looks week to week.

Supporters are finally getting a bit of a taste of reality when it comes to understanding all game plans require maximum effort to execute, when the feeling was our previous one was extremely taxing and unsustainable.

Whether he goes or doesn't, Bevo isn't the only common denominator in all of this shit.

[The Underdog]

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Is there anything in the fact that this game was our 3rd straight 6 day break (about to have our 4th).
Not saying it excuses the lack of effort, but it's certainly something to take into consideration.