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[ledge]

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The Hawks played pretty well their pressure was brilliant.
You won't win any games with that many back half turnovers.
It CAN be partly coaching though if the structure is failing and the outlets aren't there.
You'd need to go through each one.

Basically the problem is when we stop and prop at HB it sends a sign to the opposition we have no idea what to do, when we run and take the game on we are at our best.
You can actually see the change happen before your eyes during games.

[Danjul]

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Basically the problem is when we stop and prop at HB it sends a sign to the opposition we have no idea what to do, when we run and take the game on we are at our best.
You can actually see the change happen before your eyes during games.

Too often and in too many predictable circumstances.

after an opposition behind: we often have 3 possessions to get to the 50m arc. Simply gives the opposition time to set up for the next play with an extra player.

When May kicks in Melbourne have usually set up beside the centre square with talls and crumbers already in position. No risk of the JJ-English stuff up.

[Hotdog60]

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We take responsibility for recent results, says Treloar

The Bulldogs midfielder has put the onus back on the playing group after a disappointing fortnight of football.



Western Bulldogs midfielder Adam Treloar has put the onus back on the playing group after a disappointing fortnight of football.

Following consecutive losses to Fremantle and Hawthorn, despite the Bulldogs being well and truly in both games late, Treloar said the players need to be held accountable.

“We knew there was obviously going to be quite a bit of pressure, but as a playing group we wholeheartedly take responsibility for the results that we’re putting out there,” he said.

“I feel like you know we’ve been in the games itself, but we’re the ones ultimately out there not performing and not nailing our opportunities.

“(We were) fully expecting the pressure to come for Bevo, but the reality is we’re the ones who are out there performing.

“I feel like the coaches are preparing us really well and really setting us up to go out there and win and have success and ultimately we’re the ones that … aren’t performing.

“So as a playing group we’re really disappointed that we’re not going out there and delivering on what we want to deliver.”

Treloar also strongly backed senior coach Luke Beveridge, jeering at questions suggesting he had lost the playing group.

“What do you think the answer is going to be? Absolutely, of course he does (have the playing group’s support),” Treloar said.

“We love playing for him. He bleeds red, white and blue, he’s a Bulldog man.

“Personally, I love playing for him. I think he’s a great coach and a great human being and I love playing underneath him.

There's a video in the link.

LINK

[josie]

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Thanks Hotdog. Bravo Treloar. Now for actions to match words.

[Eastdog]

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It is a results driven business and we haven't quite got the results we have wanted so far. The pressure will always come for Bevo but the players as Treloar has pointed out are just as responsible as well.

If we start winning again over the next few weeks and turn this around then Bevo will be fine but if we struggle then he will be in trouble.

I'm all for change but will see how this season plays out first. I do not want us to make any rash decisions during the season.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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It is a results driven business and we haven't quite got the results we have wanted so far. The pressure will always come for Bevo but the players as Treloar has pointed out are just as responsible as well.

If we start winning again over the next few weeks and turn this around then Bevo will be fine but if we struggle then he will be in trouble.

I'm all for change but will see how this season plays out first. I do not want us to make any rash decisions during the season.

A conciliatory response.
Many supporters however feel great angst and see it as a crisis, a breakdown of game structure and execution in face of a disgraceful end to last season, with one of our best teams ever.

[Bornadog]

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A conciliatory response.
Many supporters however feel great angst and see it as a crisis, a breakdown of game structure and execution in face of a disgraceful end to last season, with one of our best teams ever.

nah, that was 2016

[Eastdog]

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A conciliatory response.
Many supporters however feel great angst and see it as a crisis, a breakdown of game structure and execution in face of a disgraceful end to last season, with one of our best teams ever.

Have we overrated our list that's the next question. We have some of the best top end talent but is our bottom 6 as good as it was in 2016 when we won the flag.

[Grantysghost]

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Have we overrated our list that's the next question. We have some of the best top end talent but is our bottom 6 as good as it was in 2016 when we won the flag.

I think this is it easty.

Weve gone from all cake little icing to all icing little cake.

[MrMahatma]

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Have we overrated our list that's the next question. We have some of the best top end talent but is our bottom 6 as good as it was in 2016 when we won the flag.

I think this. Plus, "potential" gets in the way of actual consistent output. We look at JUH, Darcy as 2 examples of players that are capable, but who haven't yet put it together, or not consistently.

Our list isn't as good as we kinda think... but it's not as bad as one that should lose to the Hawks.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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I think this. Plus, "potential" gets in the way of actual consistent output. We look at JUH, Darcy as 2 examples of players that are capable, but who haven't yet put it together, or not consistently.

Our list isn't as good as we kinda think... but it's not as bad as one that should lose to the Hawks.

Yeah this.

We supposedly have top end talent but aside from Bont they don't really perform to that top level. Naughton still plays like a bush league player too often and Marra and Darcy are still potential top liners.

There's a few others I would've liked to have stepped up by now but largely haven't. Richards, Dale, Williams, English, Naughton are way too inconsistent and limited. They haven't really added any strings to their bow.

Do we have a player development issue?

[Bornadog]

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Yeah this.

We supposedly have top end talent but aside from Bont they don't really perform to that top level. Naughton still plays like a bush league player too often and Marra and Darcy are still potential top liners.

There's a few others I would've liked to have stepped up by now but largely haven't. Richards, Dale, Williams, English, Naughton are way too inconsistent and limited. They haven't really added any strings to their bow.

Do we have a player development issue?

Personally I am very happy with Naughton. He has taken on a new role and is really embracing it. He is on target to kick 50 goals, he is 4th in AFL for forwards with goal assists.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Personally I am very happy with Naughton. He has taken on a new role and is really embracing it. He is on target to kick 50 goals, he is 4th in AFL for forwards with goal assists.

I'm happy with him too for sure. I'd just like to see him become more dynamic up the ground, making better leading patterns rather than going for the pack mark and clean up his disposal. He was doing really well in that Eagles game.

[jazzadogs]

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nah, that was 2016

It adds nothing to this discussion but I think our team from 2008-2010 was better than 2016 but in 2016 our opponents weren't as strong. Obviously winning the flag means they are immortal and my favourites etc, but if you put 2009 dogs against 2016 dogs I think 09 wins.
Might start a thread on that if this place is completely falling apart in a few weeks.

[Bornadog]

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It adds nothing to this discussion but I think our team from 2008-2010 was better than 2016 but in 2016 our opponents weren't as strong. Obviously winning the flag means they are immortal and my favourites etc, but if you put 2009 dogs against 2016 dogs I think 09 wins.
Might start a thread on that if this place is completely falling apart in a few weeks.

I know what you are saying, but 2016 did it - and it was TEAM work, not necessarily better players

PS: Would be a fun discussion - how far back would you go? I loved the 1985 team