Sharp Axes

[Grantysghost]

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I know what you are saying, but 2016 did it - and it was TEAM work, not necessarily better players

PS: Would be a fun discussion - how far back would you go? I loved the 1985 team

97. Danny Southern, Matthew Dent!

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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It's a good response from Treloar. Egan and KWW spoke/wrote well and got on the front foot.

But ultimately it's just words and we've been good at words for a while, but not much else.

It's an interesting next 4-5 weeks.

[jeemak]

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Disagree, shit execution starts somewhere. To have that many in a game and have that much scored against suggests the Hawks did their homework and pressured the ball handlers or the first kick receivers into a mistake. Yes we have some dodgy kickers. We also have some of the best kickers of a football.

There is something off about the way we play - some say unaccountable, some say an unwillingness to work hard when things aren't going right. That starts somewhere. Are we not committed enough at training? Do we go back to the comments Dunks made about not taking it seriously enough?

Seems to me that somewhere along the way a level of mediocrity was accepted and tolerated - I mean why would you not review a GF loss? I'd maybe understand if it as a heartbeaking loss (like the 97 Prelim), but this was a capitulation from the middle of the 3rd quarter onwards. That decision is a coaching decision. To me it sends the message to the playing group that they don't need to own that loss/fallure. Compare that to the 2019 Headingly Test where Justin Langer made the Aussie team sit through ball by ball the English 2nd innings analysing and owning the mistakes that they made. One team goes on to win the T20 WC, the ODI WC, the World Test Champs and retain the Ashes in Australia and England. The other.......

The strange thing is the players have executed under pressure before. Every team puts pressure on every week by varying degrees, and it's not as if last week was the first time we've dealt with heavy pressure.

So I agree, it starts somewhere and we differ in where we think that is.

As for the choice not to do an depth review of the 2021 grand final, nobody knows the extent to which that impacted subsequent performances. It's convenient to say that it did, but we can't act as if that was the first time that group of players had the ball waltzed out the front of contests and have been runover the top of.

[SonofScray]

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It's a good response from Treloar. Egan and KWW spoke/wrote well and got on the front foot.

But ultimately it's just words and we've been good at words for a while, but not much else.

It's an interesting next 4-5 weeks.

Treloar said what he had to say. It’s meaningless.

Egan was interesting at least.

KWW earlier in the week sounded like a LinkedIn post.

In all, the club is struggling to be honest with itself. The relationships are strong and it’s a hindrance to giving feedback and making hard decisions. Deeds don’t match words.

Trust for me is absolutely out the window.

[G-Mo77]

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Treloar said what he had to say. It?s meaningless.

Egan was interesting at least.

KWW earlier in the week sounded like a LinkedIn post.

In all, the club is struggling to be honest with itself. The relationships are strong and it?s a hindrance to giving feedback and making hard decisions. Deeds don?t match words.

Trust for me is absolutely out the window.

Agree mate. I thought Egan's response about being personal attacks at Bevo is spot on, the media outlets have it in for him. That being said we really have not repaired or attempted to fix that relationship and that is on us.

[mjp]

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Agree mate. I thought Egan's response about being personal attacks at Bevo is spot on, the media outlets have it in for him. That being said we really have not repaired or attempted to fix that relationship and that is on us.

Yes - agree. BUT.

When Darcy played the 'personal' card with Cornes a few weeks back and refused to give examples of when the comments became personal it took the wind out of this.

I genuinely believe the club needs to take one of two approaches here:
#1 - Put together some clear evidence of negative comments about the club and coach they perceive to be personal in nature and debate it with the media pack. This would need to be done at a Baines or KWW presser.
#2 - Shutup about it.

I prefer option #2.

[Bornadog]

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Yes - agree. BUT.

When Darcy played the 'personal' card with Cornes a few weeks back and refused to give examples of when the comments became personal it took the wind out of this.

I genuinely believe the club needs to take one of two approaches here:
#1 - Put together some clear evidence of negative comments about the club and coach they perceive to be personal in nature and debate it with the media pack. This would need to be done at a Baines or KWW presser.
#2 - Shutup about it.

I prefer option #2.

Option 1, we don't win with media, so yes option 2 is best.

[D Mitchell]

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Option 1, we don't win with media, so yes option 2 is best.

Better. Comparative adjective, insufficient alternatives to warrant the superlative.

[Hotdog60]

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Just tell the media Bevo will see them at the nets and handle this like men starting Caro.

[Critter]

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Just tell the media Bevo will see them at the nets and handle this like men starting Caro.

What do you mean by this comment?

[GVGjr]

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What do you mean by this comment?

Long standing joke on WOOF. The Yarraville nets is where conflict resolution is achieved

[G-Mo77]

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Yes - agree. BUT.

When Darcy played the 'personal' card with Cornes a few weeks back and refused to give examples of when the comments became personal it took the wind out of this.

I genuinely believe the club needs to take one of two approaches here:
#1 - Put together some clear evidence of negative comments about the club and coach they perceive to be personal in nature and debate it with the media pack. This would need to be done at a Baines or KWW presser.
#2 - Shutup about it.

I prefer option #2.

Well being more open to the media will help. From what I can put together we pretty much run with a closed door and we don't really participate in much programming. Ok that's not such a huge deal for you or I but it does have an effect on the average HUN reader or SEN listener that support our team.

I also wonder if negative press does effect player?

[Bornadog]

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Well being more open to the media will help. From what I can put together we pretty much run with a closed door and we don't really participate in much programming. Ok that's not such a huge deal for you or I but it does have an effect on the average HUN reader or SEN listener that support our team.

I also wonder if negative press does effect player?

Bevo said today in his presser that the negative talk in the media certainly effects the players

[SonofScray]

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Are club members external noise?

[kruder]

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Criticism of Bevo and the club is fair make no mistake. If you're happy with this season so far after what went on over the last few years and particually the rhetoric coming out of the club in the off season then you're happy with mediocrity.

We just haven't seen any significant improvement, that game on the weekend was a disgrace there was no system, the forward line was a shambles and once again like the match simulation in preseason couldn't get the ball out of defence which has been an issue for significant parts of the year.

I'm happy to give Bevo and the new staff more time but we need to be better. The clock is ticking...