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  • angelopetraglia
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Nov 2008
    • 6774

    Re: Sharp Axes

    We also did that losing players to injury ever week and down on rotations in many of those games with key midfielders having to play many more minutes than normal which would create cumulative fatigue.

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    • bulldogtragic
      The List Manager
      • Jan 2007
      • 34316

      Re: Sharp Axes

      Originally posted by angelopetraglia
      In the last four weeks we have played both Grand Finalists, a team that lost the Prelim by 1 point and the top of the ladder team with a 9-1 record.

      We went 2-2 in those games. Thats a pass isn?t it?
      50%. Maybe if you’re a lazy arts student…

      Mind you Lions were below us and Collingwood had a heap of injuries too.
      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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      • Grantysghost
        Bouncing Strong
        • Apr 2010
        • 18854

        Re: Sharp Axes

        Originally posted by angelopetraglia
        In the last four weeks we have played both Grand Finalists, a team that lost the Prelim by 1 point and the top of the ladder team with a 9-1 record.

        We went 2-2 in those games. Thats a pass isn?t it?
        It is.
        BT COME BACK!​

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        • jeemak
          Bulldog Legend
          • Oct 2010
          • 21540

          Re: Sharp Axes

          Not sure he said evolution once?
          TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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          • jeemak
            Bulldog Legend
            • Oct 2010
            • 21540

            Re: Sharp Axes

            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
            Agree.

            Moreso thinking of making a decision and headhunting a replacement in the shadows if we want a new coach to oversee the rebuild.
            I know of only one coach who has led us through a rebuild and gotten us to a grand final.

            Whoever is better placed than Beveridge, who was very measured and on point in his presser tonight, to lead the rebuild then they might take some finding.

            That's not me saying there's nobody else out there more equipped to do it, but a bird in the hand......and all that.

            If we're two down at the bye then it isn't looking good for him. If it gets worse after that then I don't see how we can justify keeping him in place.

            And if we move him on we need to learn a lesson and keep our executive away from bold commentary around our list and expectations. They're too conflicted to make a rational call.
            TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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            • jeemak
              Bulldog Legend
              • Oct 2010
              • 21540

              Re: Sharp Axes

              Originally posted by bulldogtragic
              50%. Maybe if you’re a lazy arts student…

              Mind you Lions were below us and Collingwood had a heap of injuries too.
              You're better than cherry picking to remove context from a discussion BT. You know footy is complex week to week, don't pretend it isn't.
              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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              • SonofScray
                Coaching Staff
                • Apr 2008
                • 4204

                Re: Sharp Axes

                He?ll get to the end of the year.

                But there is no planet where he or we benefit from him coaching next year.

                Lots of factors tonight, but regardless, it?s closer to the norm than the last few weeks have been.

                If you want him gone, like I do and have, that won?t have changed at all over the past month. There?s been nothing to waver on.
                Time and Tide Waits For No Man

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                • GVGjr
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 44184

                  Re: Sharp Axes

                  I can't see why we change anything during the season unless he was to jump for whatever reason.
                  I wonder if we would even consider secretly starting to canvas the market before the seasons end?
                  Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                  • jeemak
                    Bulldog Legend
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 21540

                    Re: Sharp Axes

                    Originally posted by GVGjr
                    I can't see why we change anything during the season unless he was to jump for whatever reason.
                    I wonder if we would even consider secretly starting to canvas the market before the seasons end?
                    With the way Beveridge has talked to date, then I think it would be really clear to both parties how this will end and I also think both parties would have agreed a search in the background is the right thing to do.

                    Beveridge isn't Alistair Clarkson or Mick Malthouse, when it comes to decisions of organisations and how they are goverened/ executed. He's not somebody who has only known football decision making, he's been exposed to stuff the rest of us have been where emotion mainly comes out of it and pragmatism reigns supreme.

                    This is also where having KWW and Baines in place will benefit us. Both are highly competent administrators and most likely ruthless when it comes down to it. They won't be dragged down by populism/ emotion in the same way the Jeffs and the Eddies were. They'll do what suits them first and foremost, with a mind that what suits them also suits the club.

                    He'll go and we'll have a plan, if that's what it takes.
                    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34316

                      Re: Sharp Axes

                      Originally posted by jeemak
                      You're better than cherry picking to remove context from a discussion BT. You know footy is complex week to week, don't pretend it isn't.
                      Merely suggesting 2-2 isn’t a great outcome. I still can’t work out last night.
                      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • soupman
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 5088

                        Re: Sharp Axes

                        I think he's going alright.

                        Last night's moves weren't bad, JOD as a defensive forward was the kind of pragmatic move we don't usually make. Think he's had a really good month after obviously a tough period and has basically quelled most criticism.
                        I should leave it alone but you're not right

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                        • Sedat
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 11107

                          Re: Sharp Axes

                          Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                          Merely suggesting 2-2 isn?t a great outcome. I still can?t work out last night.
                          In hindsight, last night was not surprising at all. It looked like one too many key soldiers out, and we are not yet a side that can absorb so many injuries to key structural personnel (Naughts, Darcy, Weightman, Richards, even JJ for his run and carry) as well as plug-in role players - guys like Scott, Harmes and Coffield add flexibility all over the ground when we need to address match-up issues, and they are far more bankable than the likes of McNeil and Buku.

                          In 2024 we are a 6-12 team with ambitions of adapting/rebuilding on the run to become a contender. We have the occasional disappointing games (Essendon, Hawthorn) and above expectation games (GWS, Collingwood) and the rest we are performing pretty much to expectation.

                          2024 has been far different from the abominations of 2022 and 2023, even if the raw results are comparable.
                          "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                          • JanLorMill
                            WOOF Member
                            • Feb 2023
                            • 1615

                            Re: Sharp Axes

                            With the personnel missing and even if our midfield improves it?s going to be difficult to beat Freo. Sean Darcy/Jackson combination is a worry. So 7-7 with a win then in no order Carlton, Sydney in Sydney, 2 away games in Adelaide, Melbourne, Geelong away, gws at Ballarat. 2 North games pencil as wins. Need at least 12 wins? Its time to start planning for a new future
                            Last edited by JanLorMill; 08-06-2024, 12:34 PM.

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                            • mighty_west
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 3408

                              Re: Sharp Axes

                              Originally posted by JanLorMill
                              With the personnel missing and even if our midfield improves it?s going to be difficult to beat Freo. Sean Darcy/Jackson combination is a worry. So 7-7 with a win then in no order Carlton, Sydney in Sydney, 2 away games in Adelaide, Melbourne, Geelong away, gws at Ballarat. 2 North games pencil as wins. Need at least 12 wins? Its time to start planning for a new future
                              Well that's what we have been doing since round 1, the Evolution means evolving into the future with playing some of the kids who are actually putting their hands up, Busslinger will most likely play with Keath out as another who has been playing consistent good football in the VFL, like Sanders, Freijah, Darcy etc, to have a strong culture you still need experience around the kids otherwise you end up like North, reward the kids who deserve a shot.

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                              • GVGjr
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 44184

                                Re: Sharp Axes

                                Originally posted by JanLorMill
                                With the personnel missing and even if our midfield improves it?s going to be difficult to beat Freo. Sean Darcy/Jackson combination is a worry. So 7-7 with a win then in no order Carlton, Sydney in Sydney, 2 away games in Adelaide, Melbourne, Geelong away, gws at Ballarat. 2 North games pencil as wins. Need at least 12 wins? Its time to start planning for a new future
                                I agree with a lot of what you have detailed and we haven't made the progress like we would have hoped for.
                                What the club needs to consider now is if we start canvassing some candidates or if we think there are some valid reasons for our inability to get on a roll.
                                It will be fascinating to see if the club is chips in with Bevo or not. From what we have seen in the media and some of his coaching moves is that he's got a great understanding of where we are falling short and it's more about if he can inspire the players to lift their performances.
                                Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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