Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

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  • 1eyedog
    Hall of Fame
    • Mar 2008
    • 13235

    Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

    Originally posted by Topdog
    But we could and should have played him in defence where we were short of players instead of him being lost in attack
    100% agree. Beauty for us now is that it doesn't matter how we got here with him, we're here.
    But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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    • EasternWest
      Hall of Fame
      • Aug 2009
      • 10002

      Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

      Originally posted by soupman
      Yeah JOD looks good and there is maybe the tinyiest argument that playing him in a nothing role for 3-5 games where he was basically a non-factor in close losses and was being hidden as much as possible until it was late enough to sub him out without humiliating him was beneficial to his development, butI don't think it is a good argument.

      Any credit the MC gets through his selection in those weeks is almost entirely attributable to luck rather than design.

      I think it's no coincidence that his best week thus far (and first time he has actually contributed) has been when he has played in a role where we actually want him to do stuff, and I am completely unconvinced he would've been worse off having spent an extra 5 weeks in the VFL practicing that very role.
      100% correct
      "It's over. It's all over."

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      • jeemak
        Bulldog Legend
        • Oct 2010
        • 21820

        Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

        Originally posted by soupman
        Yeah JOD looks good and there is maybe the tinyiest argument that playing him in a nothing role for 3-5 games where he was basically a non-factor in close losses and was being hidden as much as possible until it was late enough to sub him out without humiliating him was beneficial to his development, butI don't think it is a good argument.

        Any credit the MC gets through his selection in those weeks is almost entirely attributable to luck rather than design.

        I think it's no coincidence that his best week thus far (and first time he has actually contributed) has been when he has played in a role where we actually want him to do stuff, and I am completely unconvinced he would've been worse off having spent an extra 5 weeks in the VFL practicing that very role.
        I honestly have no idea how you can be so definitive about it.

        Would someone else playing as the 22-23 player on the list have made any difference in those games we lost? Maybe, but probably not.

        Do young players get humiliated by having quiet games in positions unfamiliar to them at the start of their careers, or do they get humiliated by getting smacked in their natural positions under high pressure? Honestly I don't know, but I can see a case for the latter just as much as the former. Also throwing someone who's barely been at the club for a couple of months deep into our defensive set up probably carries some risk.

        The amount of handwringing over a few games giving someone a taste at the level has me really surprised. Young players just want to play and any opportunity is better than none, unless they're genuinely not ready physically or mentally.
        TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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        • AshMac
          WOOF Member
          • Aug 2018
          • 1712

          Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

          I really liked what I saw on Friday. O'Donnell looks like a kid who is calm under pressure, makes good decisions and has a confidence to back himself regardless of the opposition around him. Couple that with what looks like supreme athleticism and i can see why the MC has persisted with him. I think he is the real deal. Play him as a third tall for the next 12-24 months and let him grow in every aspect of the game. You cant teach what he has, but you can teach the polish on top of it.
          The dam wall has busted!

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          • D Mitchell
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2023
            • 652

            Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

            The son of anyone who scores a century in his first knock at Lords gets his foot in the door in what ever sport. From our point of view, James may well end up a godsend of Bont equivalence but, at the expense of representing Australia. This may end up a touch more complicated that we'd thought.

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            • Grantysghost
              Bouncing Strong
              • Apr 2010
              • 18959

              Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

              Re-signed for 2 years
              BT COME BACK!​

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 66700

                Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

                Originally posted by Grantysghost
                Re-signed for 2 years
                Is he still classified as a category B?
                FFC: Established 1883

                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                • Grantysghost
                  Bouncing Strong
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 18959

                  Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  Is he still classified as a category B?
                  Erm... I need someone with a brain to work that out.
                  BT COME BACK!​

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                  • EasternWest
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 10002

                    Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

                    If only there was a comprehensive compendium of this information that we could refer to for such answers.
                    "It's over. It's all over."

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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34289

                      Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      Is he still classified as a category B?
                      He can stay as a Cat B rookie for 3 years. With his permission. Assuming he cares about our list and ability to have an extra player on it (while he stays Cat B), I assume he agreed to that. Or I hope he has.
                      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • azabob
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 15304

                        Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

                        Originally posted by EasternWest
                        If only there was a comprehensive compendium of this information that we could refer to for such answers.
                        The owner of the compendium has gone MIA...
                        More of an In Bruges guy?

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                        • azabob
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 15304

                          Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

                          Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                          He can stay as a Cat B rookie for 3 years. With his permission. Assuming he cares about our list and ability to have an extra player on it (while he stays Cat B), I assume he agreed to that. Or I hope he has.
                          The article does not advise us either way.

                          The 20-year-old will remain at the Kennel for the next two seasons after re-signing until at least the end of 2025.


                          James O’Donnell will remain in the red, white and blue for the next two seasons after re-signing with the Club until at least the end of 2025.

                          The Category B Rookie has endured a wild ride in his first season at the Kennel, drafted in April before making his debut 35 days after joining the Club.

                          The 20-year-old has since played 10 games, spending the large majority in defence playing important roles on dangerous opposition forwards.

                          O’Donnell is a third generation VFL/AFL player, following grandfather Kevin and Father Simon representing St Kilda during the 1940s and 1980s respectively.

                          The youngster was thrilled to sign on at the Club into the future.

                          “It’s just pure excitement to have re-signed,” O’Donnell said.

                          “The last four months have just been incredible, to sign for two years and for the Club to put faith in me to hopefully influence a successful team is very exciting. I am over the moon.”

                          “It’s been a whirlwind journey; it is surreal. It hit me between the eyes a little bit – but each step I’ve taken forward I’ve had so much fun.

                          “From the start of the year being at Essendon Cricket Club to now, playing a few games and signing on, it’s been special.”

                          Bulldogs’ GM of List Management and Recruiting, Sam Power, was happy to secure O’Donnell for a further two seasons.

                          “James is still in the infancy of his career, but we’re really excited about him committing to the club and continuing to grow as a footballer,” Power said.

                          “He has the attributes to become a good defender over time, having strong athletic traits and a team first mentality.”
                          More of an In Bruges guy?

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                          • bulldogtragic
                            The List Manager
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 34289

                            Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

                            I’d assume he’s staying Cat B. There’s absolutely no good reason to move him unless he threw a mega tantrum. Referencing team first leads me to believe that did not happen. Since I do not think that would happen, I’d assume 100% he’s staying Cat B.

                            Plus usually the language is about elevating rookies. He’s just had his contract extended/re-signed.
                            Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                            • G-Mo77
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9876

                              Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

                              I'm assuming he stays as Cat B?

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                              • EasternWest
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 10002

                                Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

                                Originally posted by azabob
                                The owner of the compendium has gone MIA...
                                Which compendium though? I know of no such thing.
                                "It's over. It's all over."

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