When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

[Grantysghost]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

How about starting a fight?

Now you're thinking.

Is this Alan Border?

[The bulldog tragician]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

I once asked, and not sure if there was a definitive answer, what Melbourne did in GF 2021, when we were the ones running amok up til that blink-of-an-eye part of the game where we lost it. Because my recollection, though I had my hands over my eyes in horror so may not be the best judge, was that they went completely offensive (yeah, yeah, in more ways than one). I don’t THINK they tried to lock us down, they went for broke. Something worked for them, or maybe with Oliver and Petracca, they had two Ferraris to gun while we just had Bont.

[jeemak]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

I once asked, and not sure if there was a definitive answer, what Melbourne did in GF 2021, when we were the ones running amok up til that blink-of-an-eye part of the game where we lost it. Because my recollection, though I had my hands over my eyes in horror so may not be the best judge, was that they went completely offensive (yeah, yeah, in more ways than one). I don’t THINK they tried to lock us down, they went for broke. Something worked for them, or maybe with Oliver and Petracca, they had two Ferraris to gun while we just had Bont.

They remained assertive without the football, and it paid off for them with an intercept across their half forward line that resulted in a goal against the run of play. Without that intercept another goal may have had them shaken.

From memory they scored immediately from the centre bounce or close enough to, and then again (think Libba going super offencive and Petracca blind turning with the footy without resistance out the front of the contest).

We didn't adjust, and just like that, it was done.

[1eyedog]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

Re. turnovers there really seems to be a big issue with the way players are releasing the ball out of a tackle at the moment. Players are definitely panicking more when tackled for fear of getting caught HTB. Many players I watch even try to get rid of it haphazardly with no prior when they don't need to and it just ends up in the oppositions hands. Happend to most clubs I watched and I watch most games.

I guess spitting the ball out to a 50/50 is better than running the risk of HTB? Tells me that players have no idea what HTB actually is either but they should be focusing on getting a better feel for it so they can force a stoppage and reset rather than keep turning it over in bad places.

[Bornadog]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

Some coaches say just kick a goal yourself to stop the momentum

[GVGjr]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

Some coaches say just kick a goal yourself to stop the momentum

And to do that most times it's best to control the ball. Keeping the opposition away from the ball is a skill we practice.

[Bornadog]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

And to do that most times it's best to control the ball. Keeping the opposition away from the ball is a skill we practice.

Need to get your hands on the ball first, which we struggle to do during those runs.

[EasternWest]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

How about starting a fight?

Seconded. Give away a soft free and start a scuffle. Momentum stopped dead.

[Grantysghost]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

Seconded. Give away a soft free and start a scuffle. Momentum stopped dead.

Or....or do the world game move.

Fake an injury.

Game management people!

Marking contest - go down holding your head. Get assessed. Walk off slowly. Wait ten mins. Come back on.

[Happy Days]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

Seconded. Give away a soft free and start a scuffle. Momentum stopped dead.

What if you lose the fight?

I hear Melbourne have a couple of guys who can really hold them up.

[Grantysghost]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

What if you lose the fight?

I hear Melbourne have a couple of guys who can really hold them up.

Schache will be at Casey.

[EasternWest]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

What if you lose the fight?

I hear Melbourne have a couple of guys who can really hold them up.

1. Lol. I haven't heard that before. Who could it be now?

2. Lol. We know AFL fights are just faux hardman occasionally torn jumper material. Which is why it's a great idea to fight on field to stop momentum.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

Re. turnovers there really seems to be a big issue with the way players are releasing the ball out of a tackle at the moment. Players are definitely panicking more when tackled for fear of getting caught HTB. Many players I watch even try to get rid of it haphazardly with no prior when they don't need to and it just ends up in the oppositions hands. Happend to most clubs I watched and I watch most games.

I guess spitting the ball out to a 50/50 is better than running the risk of HTB? Tells me that players have no idea what HTB actually is either but they should be focusing on getting a better feel for it so they can force a stoppage and reset rather than keep turning it over in bad places.

Actually 1of the issues I have with the current interpretation of the rules
Players hang on to the ball to get a stoppage when the ball isn't even locked in. If they try to dispose they often get pinged for incorrect disposal so they hang in and hope.
Keath got pinged this year for hanging onto the ball because he was not prepared to take the risk of trying to get it out.

How can players know what HTB is when the umpires don't

[Scorlibo]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

What has stood out to me this year during these runs is that we look 'slow' on the spread, where that could mean a number of things be it lack of cardio fitness, leg speed, turnover reaction speed, or a lack of intent.

This is an example from the 2nd quarter where Pickett has burnt off McComb, Graham has got away from Treloar, and Clarke is gapping Baz. This is after a slow move forward from us with players starting side by side. Results in a set shot for Cumberland.



A related issue is that we don't seem to prioritise controlling the corridor. When we're moving the ball from D50, we tend to go sideways and along the boundary, which admittedly has worked for us in the past, but it's always been and always will be the hard way to goal, requiring a long series of good connections.

Conversely the opposition seem to be granted a heap of space through the guts on their forays forward, with our guys defending as if playing against our own offensive style - straight down the line kicks. The lateral kick into the corridor is being poorly defended.

Here's an example where Richmond entered firstly along the boundary, then went backwards and found themselves outnumbering our guys through their offensive corridor. Vlastuin is standing all by himself just behind the umpire, they get an easy deep entry where Bolton soccers it through on the goal line.



Here's another where Scott stays boundary side of Mansell, who breaks into loads of space and goes with a direct kick to a Cumberland-Bruce one on one, Cumberland marks and kicks a goal.

[meenies]

Re: When the oppo get a run on, we need to GET THE BALL.

This has bugged me so I went and had a look at the tapes against Melb, Stk (x2), and Richmond when they got their runs on goals.

Still a little confused but things I noticed:
clearances - WB 5, Opposition 9 plus 3 frees, Dead ball 3 - WB one next clearance once and opportunity twice.
English at all clearance bar 4 - Lobb 3 Darcy 1
Treloar 4 times, Caleb 3, Bailey 10, Bont 15, MacRae 15, Libba 16
Macrae, Bont & Libba together - 9 times
Bailey & Libba - 6; Bailey & Bont - 6; Bailey & MacRae - 5
During the Melbourne run - Bont & Libba in all; Bailey & McR seemed to swap
During the 1st StK run - McR, Bont & Libba in 3 of 4 bounces
During the 2nd StK run - McR & Libba in all; Caleb & Bont seemed to swap
During the Richmond run - McR had first crack then Treloar; Libba first crack then Bont; Bailey not swapped

Not sure if these stats are consistent with other bounces were there are no opposition runs as didn't look at those.

If I had to have a stab at what the issues were at the "source":
1. During these rushes English clearly lost a stack of the ruck duels
2. We kept playing with an attacking mindset and not having body on the opposing player (one instance Pertracca was two-three steps behind Bont and read the tap for an easy clearance and goal but others were just as guilty)
3. If plan is for Libba to go straight to player who gets the ball drop then someone else cover his (now free) player
4. When the heat is on - not convinced that Bailey is best in the centre just yet and I would also have less of Macrae in there during these runs.

Are you as confused as I am?