3 things learned from Rd5 2023

[GVGjr]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

That is way wrong, I did not give him votes because he was Bont. Last week Bont ran at DE 80%. Yes he made a few errors like all players do. Bont was very influencial and also had 12 tackles, 17 CP, 11 clearnaces and acredited with just 4 clangers.

Treloar was purely woeful with 9 clangers, 25 handballs that went to no one.

You're missing the point and trying to throw up a lot of stats to confuse the question.

Lets try and get it back to the original point.
You've called out Treloar for getting a lot of kicks by basically coughing it up. That's fair enough but Bont did some of the same things the previous two weeks but it wasn't part of many peoples assessment.
I get that some of his other stats in those previous games are super impressive but he was the turnover king for a couple of weeks and it appears that it's glossed over for many people whereas for Treloar it's highlighted.

[Bornadog]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

You're missing the point and trying to throw up a lot of stats to confuse the question.

Lets try and get it back to the original point.
You've called out Treloar for getting a lot of kicks but basically coughing it up. That's fair enough but Bont did some of the same things the previous two weeks but it wasn't part of your assessment.
I get that some of his other stats in those previous games are super impressive but he was the turnover king for a couple of weeks and it appears that it's glossed over whereas for Treloar it's highlighted.

I answered your query. Bont last week had 4 clangers, that is all. He dominated the game.

Are you happy with a DE of 48.6%?

[Boots]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

1. Agree with what others have posted here. English is completely phenomenal, and with Bont and treloar at his feet we are able to rack up incredible clearance numbers. I am a little in awe of how good he is to be honest.

2. our forward line is not a monster it’s a mutant. We’ve got a pack marking monster who can’t kick goals, a crumber who takes marks but won’t crumb, and a brilliant leading mid-sized forward who never gets targeted. It’s so, so unbalanced and ridiculous. I hate it even more when I watch Cameron or curnow play.

3. I do t think the season is over, but it’ll be another “limp into the eight and lose a final” kinda year.

[AshMac]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

1. We just don?t have extra gear right now. Lots of opportunity to put the game away, we are a mediocre team on the field and caviar on paper
2. Whilst they didn?t score a lot, the last 10 minutes of the game were similar to us haemorrhaging. Couldn?t get near it. I did think Bruce changed our setup down back
3. We are a team of stars and duds - no B grade in-betweenners. Our bottom 6 are invisible

[angelopetraglia]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

1. We just don?t have extra gear right now. Lots of opportunity to put the game away, we are a mediocre team on the field and caviar on paper
2. Whilst they didn?t score a lot, the last 10 minutes of the game were similar to us haemorrhaging. Couldn?t get near it. I did think Bruce changed our setup down back
3. We are a team of stars and duds - no B grade in-betweenners. Our bottom 6 are invisible

Agree 100%. The bottom eight players for possessions on the ground. We had six of them.

Marra 9
Lobb 8
Duryea 8
Bruce 8
Jones 5
Hanan 5
McLean 0

I would also the add the following players for the positions they play had a poor night.

Scott 12
Williams 11
Baker 11

[azabob]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

Agree 100%. The bottom eight players for possessions on the ground. We had six of them.

Marra 9
Lobb 8
Duryea 8
Bruce 8
Jones 5
Hanan 5
McLean 0

I would also the add the following players for the positions they play had a poor night.

Scott 12
Williams 11
Baker 11

The wings on both teams were pretty much non existent?

[DOG GOD]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

1. English was unbelievable in wet conditions. Kudos to him. Maybe he can be the #1?.
2. Weightman is Almost first picked in our fwd line
3. I am worried what the next 3-4 years will look like (no finals predicted). Our list is just not that good.

[Grantysghost]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

I answered your query. Bont last week had 4 clangers, that is all. He dominated the game.

Are you happy with a DE of 48.6%?

I think in the Lions game many gave him full votes and didnt mention he equalled the world record for turnovers.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

The wings on both teams were pretty much non existent?

Baker was a let down on what he showed the previous week. He had 20 disposals and had a real impact. Last night he had just over half the touches.

[hujsh]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

I think what this confirms pretty soundly is we are a average team. We're not shit. Not great. Just average. The kind of team that would just scape into the 8 (sound familiar?) and will occasionally have good days against good teams and will occasionally have shit days against shit teams.

Port are a similar team so I wasn't really expecting a win with the confidence of other people before the game started. Sure I thought we could win but I didn't think it was a better than 50% chance of happening.

The unfortunate reality is 21 was a blip in an otherwise pretty stable trendline of mediocrity for us. Bont's best years will be wasted. Maybe a better new team will emerge in his twilight.

[JanLorMill]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

I think what this confirms pretty soundly is we are a average team. We're not shit. Not great. Just average. The kind of team that would just scape into the 8 (sound familiar?) and will occasionally have good days against good teams and will occasionally have shit days against shit teams.

Port are a similar team so I wasn't really expecting a win with the confidence of other people before the game started. Sure I thought we could win but I didn't think it was a better than 50% chance of happening.

The unfortunate reality is 21 was a blip in an otherwise pretty stable trendline of mediocrity for us. Bont's best years will be wasted. Maybe a better new team will emerge in his twilight.

Sad reading but true

[Hot_Doggies]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

We need to hit the draft hard. Somehow manage to get 4 first rounders in the door next two years. Forget about topping up with recycled players ie Lobb.

Get a good group to match Darcy, Naughton and co. Bont can play the Pendlebury role.

[Hot_Doggies]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

Tim Obrien was ok last night, but surely Khamis could play that role. And he would offer something for the future.

Why he was played up forward all preseason, then moved back in first VFL match is a real head scratcher.

[Danjul]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

I think what this confirms pretty soundly is we are a average team. We're not shit. Not great. Just average. The kind of team that would just scape into the 8 (sound familiar?) and will occasionally have good days against good teams and will occasionally have shit days against shit teams.

Port are a similar team so I wasn't really expecting a win with the confidence of other people before the game started. Sure I thought we could win but I didn't think it was a better than 50% chance of happening.

The unfortunate reality is 21 was a blip in an otherwise pretty stable trendline of mediocrity for us. Bont's best years will be wasted. Maybe a better new team will emerge in his twilight.

It?s a long time ago but I thoroughly enjoyed the first half of the 2021 season. And even though cracks started to appear we were top of the ladder after 20 or so rounds. Something was going right. The problem is that something has not been valued, I would like to see it embraced.

[Danjul]

Re: 3 things learned from Rd5 2023

Agree 100%. The bottom eight players for possessions on the ground. We had six of them.

Marra 9
Lobb 8
Duryea 8
Bruce 8
Jones 5
Hanan 5
McLean 0

I would also the add the following players for the positions they play had a poor night.

Scott 12
Williams 11
Baker 11

For the forwards on this list

1. It was rare to see a lead or move into space.
2. Didn?t see anyone set up for the wet ball spilling out the back of the pack attempting to mark/spoil.
3. Didn?t see crumbers set up in front of the pack.

Our forward plan seems to be bomb it, mark it. In practice it?s bomb it, watch it go back.