Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

In those games games we were sensational. Like in early 2021. And that was without English who is usually our best player now.

We would be unbeatable if we could put our balanced, experienced and cohesive group on the field with everyone in their natural position.

As supporting evidence, it is probably on tape somewhere, I watched some of the vfl games at the end of last season and saw Sweet kick as many goals as Arty. Two were from outside 50.

Have you tried contacting the club? If I was as certain I had the ideas that would make us unbeatable, I say this without jest, if I was as certain as you that I had the formula, I'd send all this to the club rather than post it here.

I don't agree with you but you seem to believe you are being ignored and have the answers to make us not lose a game.

[Danjul]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

Have you tried contacting the club? If I was as certain I had the ideas that would make us unbeatable, I say this without jest, if I was as certain as you that I had the formula, I'd send all this to the club rather than post it here.

I don't agree with you but you seem to believe you are being ignored and have the answers to make us not lose a game.

When we played 2 genuine ruckmen in 2021 we were top of the ladder, above the eventual premiers, with 3 rounds left. Everyone in Melbourne saw and enjoyed our success. I was surprised at the time by the wide interest. So, in reality I got these ideas from the club. And it was using them less than two seasons ago.

Then, Playing the anyone can ruck game plan got us down to fifth, in just 3 games. That?s clearly still the go to strategy.

So in my humble opinion the 2 ruck approach was a very successful strategy adopted by the club, and it should work better now that English, Bont and a few others are in their prime. I?m sure everyone at the club saw and enjoyed the success then and would prefer it to Saturday?s 2 goal second half.. It is ok to experiment with some new ideas, like we are doing, but we are nowhere near top of the ladder.. Comparing the playing groups Then and now we should be seeing greater success.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

When we played 2 genuine ruckmen in 2021 we were top of the ladder, above the eventual premiers, with 3 rounds left. Everyone in Melbourne saw and enjoyed our success. I was surprised at the time by the wide interest. So, in reality I got these ideas from the club. And it was using them less than two seasons ago.

Then, Playing the anyone can ruck game plan got us down to fifth, in just 3 games. That?s clearly still the go to strategy.

So in my humble opinion the 2 ruck approach was a very successful strategy adopted by the club, and it should work better now that English, Bont and a few others are in their prime. I?m sure everyone at the club saw and enjoyed the success then and would prefer it to Saturday?s 2 goal second half.. It is ok to experiment with some new ideas, like we are doing, but we are nowhere near top of the ladder.. Comparing the playing groups Then and now we should be seeing greater success.

Yep, I hear you. I don't agree with you but I am certain of little in life. You seem certain that the changes you want would result in us being unbeatable. I sincerely do not intend to be facetious, if I were as certain as you about this resulting in us basically never losing, I'd contact the club instead of/as well as posting on here.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

When we played 2 genuine ruckmen in 2021 we were top of the ladder, above the eventual premiers, with 3 rounds left. Everyone in Melbourne saw and enjoyed our success. I was surprised at the time by the wide interest. So, in reality I got these ideas from the club. And it was using them less than two seasons ago.

Then, Playing the anyone can ruck game plan got us down to fifth, in just 3 games. That?s clearly still the go to strategy.

So in my humble opinion the 2 ruck approach was a very successful strategy adopted by the club, and it should work better now that English, Bont and a few others are in their prime. I?m sure everyone at the club saw and enjoyed the success then and would prefer it to Saturday?s 2 goal second half.. It is ok to experiment with some new ideas, like we are doing, but we are nowhere near top of the ladder.. Comparing the playing groups Then and now we should be seeing greater success.

Bevo always talks about the "turnover game".

I recall when speaking about Martin leading up to the GF or Prelim in 2021 he said something along the lines of he won't be able to contribute to the turnover game.

So 1.) Retaining shape when we turn it over 2.) Spreading when they do

I would assume the same applies with Sweet. That's my guess if that helps from a coaching perspective.

[Danjul]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

Yep, I hear you. I don't agree with you but I am certain of little in life. You seem certain that the changes you want would result in us being unbeatable. I sincerely do not intend to be facetious, if I were as certain as you about this resulting in us basically never losing, I'd contact the club instead of/as well as posting on here.

Let?s change never to rarely.

[Critter]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

Bevo always talks about the "turnover game".

I recall when speaking about Martin leading up to the GF or Prelim in 2021 he said something along the lines of he won't be able to contribute to the turnover game.

So 1.) Retaining shape when we turn it over 2.) Spreading when they do

I would assume the same applies with Sweet. That's my guess if that helps from a coaching perspective.

Sweet is far more fit and mobile than Martin was in 2021 so can't see why he be won't be able to contribute to turnover game.

Here's a thought. Beveridge likes to push an extra player up, which means most times we play with 5 forwards. Why not ruck Sweet and have English play the extra role, so that we get the benefit of English's mobility and all-round game skills in general play and Sweet's tap work in ruck contests?

In the Footscray V Geelong VFL game, Sweet was BOG (the service he gave midfielders was outstanding), Crozier & Cleary marked everything and Bruce played well deep in defence. So let's do something crazy, such as rewarding form, and bring in those 4 for Gardner/TOB, Richards (inj), JOD and Lobb.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

Those wanting Sweet in. Do we drop Lobb? Or do you want Lobb as a pure KPF, English R2/fwd and Sweet in ruck?

[Bullies]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

Those wanting Sweet in. Do we drop Lobb? Or do you want Lobb as a pure KPF, English R2/fwd and Sweet in ruck?

Lobb stays in. English plays as utility/ruck rover type role. Sweet starts in the middle for all bounces and around the ground for throw ins. English starts up forward allowing Sweet to give us first use of the ball out of the middle and move it quickly to the forward line.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

Lobb stays in. English plays as utility/ruck rover type role. Sweet starts in the middle for all bounces and around the ground for throw ins. English starts up forward allowing Sweet to give us first use of the ball out of the middle and move it quickly to the forward line.

How is a ruck rover different to the other inside mids we have? IMO centres, ruck rovers and rovers are ceremonial positions now and have been so for a while. You just play three inside mids.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

Those wanting Sweet in. Do we drop Lobb? Or do you want Lobb as a pure KPF, English R2/fwd and Sweet in ruck?

Where would Darcy aim to play when ready?

[Bullies]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

How is a ruck rover different to the other inside mids we have? IMO centres, ruck rovers and rovers are ceremonial positions now and have been so for a while. You just play three inside mids.

Correct they are all utility type roles so can go anywhere as do half forwards/wings etc. English can drop back and go forward during play without worrying about the ruck work.

[Bullies]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

Where would Darcy aim to play when ready?

Darcy can play the intercept defender role quite easily. It is easier for him to learn the game down back and develop his confidence.

[Critter]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

Lobb stays in. English plays as utility/ruck rover type role. Sweet starts in the middle for all bounces and around the ground for throw ins. English starts up forward allowing Sweet to give us first use of the ball out of the middle and move it quickly to the forward line.

Yeah, what he said.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

Lobb stays in. English plays as utility/ruck rover type role. Sweet starts in the middle for all bounces and around the ground for throw ins. English starts up forward allowing Sweet to give us first use of the ball out of the middle and move it quickly to the forward line.

You're suggesting we take the anointed AA ruckman..... Out of the ruck?

[Bullies]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 13 v Port Adelaide

You're suggesting we take the anointed AA ruckman..... Out of the ruck?

Correct as Tim is not a good tap ruckman. English becomes a utility and Sweet does the ruck work as his tap work in the ruck is first rate. Gives us first use of the ball like Witts does with the Suns. Against us Witts destroyed English in the ruck and gave their mid field an armchair ride. Due to this they were able to go forward a lot less but converted more.