The pick 4 deal

[bulldogtragic]

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This might be a question for BT, but is there anyway we can turn pick 4 into pick one?

Tim English added.
Or
Smith for Pick 4 & F2. Then picks 4 & 5 for Pick 1.

[josie]

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Tim English added.
Or
Smith for Pick 4 & F2. Then picks 4 & 5 for Pick 1.

Yuk.

[Scraggers]

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Tim English added.
Or
Smith for Pick 4 & F2. Then picks 4 & 5 for Pick 1.

Tim is pick one on his own.

Is 4&5 worth more points than pick one ??

[hujsh]

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Looks good except that pesky F1.

Well that alone would never be enough to warrant giving up pick 4. They need to gain points as they move up the ladder so it's not surprising something else had to go to them, though giving a future first is really more about next year than this year and they threw some future picks back so maybe I've just argued against my initial point.

[Sedat]

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Heads will roll. Whether Power is one of them will be whether he was directed to execute the trade or pushed it himself.

If we fail yet again next year, shouldn't heads roll anyway? From the top of the organisation down.

[bulldogtragic]

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If we fail yet again next year, shouldn't heads roll anyway? From the top of the organisation down.

When they review themselves again for a third year straight….

[G-Mo77]

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When they review themselves again for a third year straight….

Wait? They've already reviewed our 2023 campaign?

[bulldogtragic]

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Wait? They've already reviewed our 2023 campaign?

Sounds like it, apparently they started at the bye so we’re well advanced apparently.

[Grantysghost]

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Draft watchers if it's not Watson (I think it is) who out of the remaining mids (say McKercher, Duursma, Reid are gone) would be worth getting.

The Larke Medallist, Sanders, seems like he might be a great acquisition? 6 ft 1 consistent midfielder with lovely skills and the ability to hit the score board.

[hujsh]

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Draft watchers if it's not Watson (I think it is) who out of the remaining mids (say McKercher, Duursma, Reid are gone) would be worth getting.

The Larke Medallist, Sanders, seems like he might be a great acquisition? 6 ft 1 consistent midfielder with lovely skills and the ability to hit the score board.

Based on a particular endorsement yesterday I'd not mind at all if we got Caddy.

[GVGjr]

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Draft watchers if it's not Watson (I think it is) who out of the remaining mids (say McKercher, Duursma, Reid are gone) would be worth getting.

The Larke Medallist, Sanders, seems like he might be a great acquisition? 6 ft 1 consistent midfielder with lovely skills and the ability to hit the score board.

He'd be a solid selection for us and don't you love that he hitches up the socks.

[Grantysghost]

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Based on a particular endorsement yesterday I'd not mind at all if we got Caddy.

He's a forward isn't he? We've probably got enough of those, although I value MJP's opinion highly.

[lemmon]

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I really like what I've seen of Sanders and think he'll be a 200-gamer. I think his kicking and outside game is pretty underrated and it's a nice package with the work he does on the inside. Also just looks ready for AFL football and should play a decent amount of senior footy next year.

I'd be intrigued to see how he tests at the Combine because he doesn't look 'quick' but he does manage to run the footy through the front of the stoppage more than you'd think. He has pretty strong hips and a good ability to break a tackle - but I'm not sure that translates to the top level if he doesn't have real physical power and acceleration.

[ledge]

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A few negative nanny’s in this group from what I am reading .
I will go the positive way and say it’s a great job to move up the order and still get Croft.
The other picks returning are obviously to get Coffield and Harmes if that’s the plan. Coffield obviously to a need in backline and Harmes to replace Hannan ? I believe Harmes is a harder type which is an improvement.
That’s two experienced players and two newbies. If we have any other picks I would back us to take someone from our VFL team as we tend to do.

[Axe Man]

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DOGS’ ‘SMART BUSINESS’ TO ATTACK FRONT-LOADED DRAFT

– Sam Landsberger

It was the swap of precious picks that will appear considerably more appealing by the time round one of the national draft is in the books on November 20.

The flinch reaction from some Western Bulldogs supporters when the club’s first trade was lodged on Monday was one of disbelief.

They could not understand why picks 10, 17 and the club’s first-round pick in the 2024 draft were all sold for Gold Coast’s prized No. 4 selection.

Three first-rounders for one? What were they thinking?

But this was smart business by Bulldogs list boss Sam Power. First of all, there are first-rounders and then there are first-rounders — and picks 10 and 17 will look far less attractive come draft night.

By the time compensation selections for free agents Ben McKay and Jade Gresham are fed into the draft order and then bids are matched for Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers (Suns), Jordan Croft (Dogs) and maybe Will McCabe those picks will hold far less currency.

Pick 10 is likely to become No. 13 or 14 while pick 17 could become No. 23 or 24, which is the equivalent of a first-round selection ordered off Wish.

The Dogs’ new No. 4 pick will also be bumped – but probably only by two places to No.6.

That will grant the Dogs access to one of Nick Watson, Zane Duursma, Colby McKercher or Ryley Sanders.

The Dogs rate the pointy end of this year’s draft extremely highly and so they are certain to once again secure a star of the future.

Last year St Kilda bemoaned its lack of access to the country’s top teenagers.

“We‘ve got some emerging guns of the competition … but we need more,“ he said at the start of trade period,” then-list boss James Gallagher said.

“Hence the really strong interest in (Jordan) De Goey. Typically your gun midfielders, your champion and your star midfielders, come in the first four, five, six picks of the draft.”

But the Dogs have drafted Tim English, Aaron Naughton, Bailey Smith, Cody Weightman, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Sam Darcy, Jedd Busslinger with their first pick over the past seven drafts and that will become eight from eight when a Watson or Sanders walks into Whitten Oval next month.

That player will be partnered by father-son prospect Croft.

A bid on the athletic swingman could’ve come before pick No. 10 and would’ve come before pick No. 17 — so the Dogs simply had to shift those selections anyway.

Otherwise they were at risk of getting chewed up by matching the bid for Croft.

The Dogs also secured picks 46 and 51 from Gold Coast, which means the Dogs can easily match a bid wherever it lands. They also hold No. 38.

And when faces replace numbers this trade will read one of Watson, McKercher, Sanders or Duursma and Croft for two first-rounders as well as one of the selections received for Josh Dunkley.

By he time the bids are made it could be, say, Watson and Croft for pick 13, 24 and next year’s first-rounder.

That is a shrewd move and it also showed the Bulldogs mean business in 2024.

Entering next season without a first-round pick indicates they expect to bounce back into September after a scratchy season was spoiled by a shock loss to wooden-spooner West Coast this year.

Let’s cut to the chase. Powerbrokers at the Dogs believe they have a top-four list and right now they hold a top-four pick.

It is rare for a club in immediate pursuit of a premiership to hold such a precious pick.