The pick 4 deal

[bulldogtragic]

Re: The pick 4 deal

If you keep topping up on talent, trading for experienced players and then not delivering when it counts it's not a good mix and it's why there are mixed feelings in the supporter base.

Yep. Our top end talent has been excellent. But they’re not winning when they should. Will Watson & Darcy change that any time soon? Probably not. Harmes & Coffield probably not.

I think the club needs to read the room a little better and start to have some genuine dialogue with members and supporters. Some clear and honest communication would be welcome and calm the locals.

[Grantysghost]

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If we believe we have a top 4 list, having never reached that under Bevo doesn't exactly show a massive vote of confidence in our ability to extract performance commensurate with our self appraisal.

I'd be failing my annual performance review at work.

How are they making this rating?

Guessing? What are the metrics....?

Then we base our plans off the guess work. It's really concerning.

[Rocco Jones]

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If we believe we have a top 4 list, having never reached that under Bevo doesn't exactly show a massive vote of confidence in our ability to extract performance commensurate with our self appraisal.

If we win the flag next year after finishing outside the top 4 again, I'd be happy to give Bevo and co. a pass mark on a technicality.

[1eyedog]

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If we win the flag next year after finishing outside the top 4 again, I'd be happy to give Bevo and co. a pass mark on a technicality.

Pass mark and a statue.

[Grantysghost]

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If we win the flag next year after finishing outside the top 4 again, I'd be happy to give Bevo and co. a pass mark on a technicality.

Many teams have tried ! Only one has done it. Well the Crows in 98 but that was a very different system. They actually lost their first final and stayed in.
So it's definitely not playing the percentages

[Rocco Jones]

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Bevo winning us another flag would be lolz. A lot of joy, but also just lolz. Like the ultimate troll job.

[Rocket Science]

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It feels the internal philosophy is as long as you've got Marcus Bontempelli playing good football you're functionally in 'the window' no matter the logic and for a pile of reasons simply obligated to play it that way whether the reality agrees or otherwise, and for a much of our post-flag era, of course it hasn't.

Having coaches and administrators who are increasingly anxious to atone, and let's face it stay employed, only reinforces that imperative and probably why as long as we have #4 running around there'll be no true bravery with the list and we sure as hell ain't blowing anything up no matter how restless the proletariat grows.

The most dramatic changes to the list since 2016 have been foisted on us, not by design. So it's otherwise talk of top-four, a little draft largesse, and topping up, and up, and up ...

We can see the cliff coming but we're stuck on these tracks, lest Bevo and Turtle get elbowed out the door.

[bulldogtragic]

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It feels the internal philosophy is as long as you've got Marcus Bontempelli playing good football you're functionally in 'the window' no matter the logic and for a pile of reasons simply obligated to play it that way whether the reality agrees or otherwise, and for a much of our post-flag era, of course it hasn't.

Having coaches and administrators who are increasingly anxious to atone, and let's face it stay employed, only reinforces that imperative and probably why as long as we have #4 running around there'll be no true bravery with the list and we sure as hell ain't blowing anything up no matter how restless the proletariat grows.

The most dramatic changes to the list since 2016 have been foisted on us, not by design. So it's otherwise talk of top-four, a little draft largesse, and topping up, and up, and up ...

We can see the cliff coming but we're stuck on these tracks, lest Bevo and Turtle get elbowed out the door.

We haven’t been top 4 for something like 13 years, but pick 5, a project KPP, Harmes & Coffield is taking up there with a rocket?

Kind of hard to take seriously, from a 2023 that started with throwing the game plan out and then choking to the worst team since Fitzroy.

[MrMahatma]

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We haven’t been top 4 for something like 13 years, but pick 5, a project KPP, Harmes & Coffield is taking up there with a rocket?

Kind of hard to take seriously, from a 2023 that started with throwing the game plan out and then choking to the worst team since Fitzroy.

With this additions, we’d smoke Collingwood.

[Topdog]

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We haven’t been top 4 for something like 13 years, but pick 5, a project KPP, Harmes & Coffield is taking up there with a rocket?

Kind of hard to take seriously, from a 2023 that started with throwing the game plan out and then choking to the worst team since Fitzroy.

Why not? There is a team coming from outside the top 8 into the top 4 nearly every season. Why not us?

[SonofScray]

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[QUOTE=Rocco Jones;872031]Bevo winning us another flag would be lolz. A lot of joy, but also just lolz. Like the ultimate troll job.[/l]
Sometimes I wonder if I’d even enjoy it. Then I remember I don’t have to worry. Then I get angry and wonder what it’ll take to actually move him on. Surely when 2024 goes down the drain by quarter time R2 we’ll be relieved of things.

[Topdog]

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Is pick 22-24 really a "1st round pick"?
I keep saying we didn't get a 1st round pick for Dunkley so I'm not going to say we gave up 3 1st rounders here.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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[QUOTE=SonofScray;872069]

Bevo winning us another flag would be lolz. A lot of joy, but also just lolz. Like the ultimate troll job.[/l]
Sometimes I wonder if I?d even enjoy it. Then I remember I don?t have to worry. Then I get angry and wonder what it?ll take to actually move him on. Surely when 2024 goes down the drain by quarter time R2 we?ll be relieved of things.

You wouldn't enjoy us winning a flag? I'm not exactly pro Bevo but if he gets us another flag I'll shut up for another 3 years!

[Rocket Science]

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We haven?t been top 4 for something like 13 years, but pick 5, a project KPP, Harmes & Coffield is taking up there with a rocket?

Kind of hard to take seriously, from a 2023 that started with throwing the game plan out and then choking to the worst team since Fitzroy.

Pretty much.

We're also further handcuffed because of our dogged inability to poach difference makers from other clubs.

So okay, fine, we own that and then pivot to maximising the personnel we have by fortifying our coaching ranks with a big off-field fish and uhhh ... errr ... Hmmm, let's just cue the theme to Curb Your Enthusiasm.

[1eyedog]

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You wouldn't enjoy us winning a flag? I'm not exactly pro Bevo but if he gets us another flag I'll shut up for another 3 years!

If Bevo gets another flag he can do a full Kevin Sheedy as far as I'm concerned.