Tim English - What Price do you pay?

[jeemak]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

5 years is a lot.

I'd don't quite square these two pieces of information



WCE deal is reduced, only a year longer but now it's more likely Tim leaves when our deals sound relatively close? Is the extra year that much of a deal breaker?

Because an extra ~$1M over the course of five versus six years?

[hujsh]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

Because an extra ~$1M over the course of five versus six years?

Would be interesting to know the payout totals irrespective of years. To relocate, spend half the year traveling interstate and be at a rebuilding club there's a lot of downsides to the move. But if that extra year means an extra mil that you get regardless of injury related retirement then it could add up.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

Would be interesting to know the payout totals irrespective of years. To relocate, spend half the year traveling interstate and be at a rebuilding club there's a lot of downsides to the move. But if that extra year means an extra mil that you get regardless of injury related retirement then it could add up.

Hypothetically:

Dogs: 5 x 950,000 = $4.75M
WCE: 6 x 1M = $6.00M

$1.25M = relocation, work travel, rebuilding club

[jeemak]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

You could easily envisage relocation costs being written into the contract.

The disadvantages of travel are somewhat offset by playing in front of a packed house with a parochial crowd as a genuine home ground advantage.

Tenure is important for him, add it all together and I think he moves, and I probably would as well if I was him.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

You could easily envisage relocation costs being written into the contract.

The disadvantages of travel are somewhat offset by playing in front of a packed house with a parochial crowd as a genuine home ground advantage.

Tenure is important for him, add it all together and I think he moves, and I probably would as well if I was him.

To be fair it could be win-win.

Say we get Barrass to trade request. For roughly the same offered salary.

We threaten to trade on Tim, but an agreement is reached. We let Tim walk for first round compo. We trade that or the first from Baz (lesser one) and Garcia for Barrass.

Tim: tenure and salary bump
Geelong: Smith & F2 - First & F1
WCE: Tim, Garcia & First - Barrass
Dogs: Barrass, F1, First - Tim, Smith, Garcia, F2

Dogs: Three firsts in the next two years (West & Cooney the year after). We either try to trade or recruit good mids to supplement outstanding KPF & KPD. Try to find a cheap mature ruck (ie Ladhams).

Could be a really interesting thing to watch if both clubs have similarly large offers on a player from the other club.

[jazzadogs]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

Hypothetically:

Dogs: 5 x 950,000 = $4.75M
WCE: 6 x 1M = $6.00M

$1.25M = relocation, work travel, rebuilding club

So we would get tier 1 compo... At what point would we match it? If we finish 8th and get pick 11? If we make a prelim and get pick 15?

I feel like we could conceivably match it and ask for a better pick/s, although if Barrass is happening that's a complication.

[jeemak]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

I know you've already loosened your belt if not fully dropped your pantaloonies in preparation BT!

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

So we would get tier 1 compo... At what point would we match it? If we finish 8th and get pick 11? If we make a prelim and get pick 15?

I feel like we could conceivably match it and ask for a better pick/s, although if Barrass is happening that's a complication.

For sure about the pick number. Moreso it ms about if Barrass wanted to us then we just take the compo if the agreement was the worst first rounder we had. I think it’s fair game to leverage the FA as opposed to what Dons/Saints tried to more directly engineer last year. If we can generate some trade currency while acquiring a first rounder I’d be pretty happy. I guess we see if the Barrass stuff is real or not..

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

You could easily envisage relocation costs being written into the contract.

The disadvantages of travel are somewhat offset by playing in front of a packed house with a parochial crowd as a genuine home ground advantage.

Tenure is important for him, add it all together and I think he moves, and I probably would as well if I was him.

Move back to Perth like they all do at one point or another!

[Testekill]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

I think that Darcy is going to overtake English as a ruck in two years, that's the big worry but if English is happy to be the forward-ruck then there wouldn't be anyone better in the league than him at the role.

[westbulldog]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

If English goes to the Eagles he won't likely taste finals for 4-5 years at which time he will be 31/32. Also we would want Barass ++ for an English trade.

[Bornadog]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

Move back to Perth like they all do at one point or another!

You do know English is not from Perth

[Angak]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

So we would get tier 1 compo... At what point would we match it? If we finish 8th and get pick 11? If we make a prelim and get pick 15?

I feel like we could conceivably match it and ask for a better pick/s, although if Barrass is happening that's a complication.

Is free agency compensation linked to where we finish on the ladder?

[Grantysghost]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

Is free agency compensation linked to where we finish on the ladder?

Kind of.

The AFL has a formula, no one really knows what it is but how good the deal the player is getting seems to be a determining factor in how good the compensation is.

Where it's linked to your position on the ladder sometimes, is that a compo pick may come after your normal pick in the draft.

For eg North got pick 2 last year as part of their ladder position, then pick 3 for the McKay compensation.

[Sedat]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

The AFL has a formula

KFC are more transparent with their recipe for 11 secret herbs and spices than the AFEL are with their formula