Tim English - What Price do you pay?

[chef]

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He's just too nice, doesn't have any mongrel in him.

[Sedat]

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Tim falling short last night on the big stage would be part of the reason why he didn't quite get the contract he was after.
Sam Darcy's continued development is critical for us so that we can at least be more competitive.

He got a 5 year contract off a season that has been ordinary at best. I'm not crying for Tim.

The most exciting moment last night was Darcy's F50 stoppage goal - another year or two in the gym and he will be a beast around the ground.

What to do with Tim is a vexing question altogether - we have 5 years to work it out because the answer is not as no 1 ruck and never has been (that was obvious to some of us as early as 2019)

[SonofScray]

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Naughton in the ruck was awful. Way to send a message to the rest of the team that we've run out of ideas.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Considering Marra was have a mare-a id have run him up the ground.

JUH had a shocker. From the first contest, I noticed him wincing and then after one contest, grabbing his shoulder. He needed to show a lot of resilience in a final than that, you have to play hurt sometimes, but it looks like he was seriously hampered from the outset to me.

[azabob]

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JUH had a shocker. From the first contest, I noticed him wincing and then after one contest, grabbing his shoulder. He needed to show a lot of resilience in a final than that, you have to play hurt sometimes, but it looks like he was seriously hampered from the outset to me.

Marra started on the bench. Wonder if that had something to do with his attitude?

[GVGjr]

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Marra started on the bench. Wonder if that had something to do with his attitude?

I mean it absolutely shouldn't be an issue. This has certainly been a year where players have been asked to take one for the team.

[soupman]

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Marra started on the bench. Wonder if that had something to do with his attitude?

I can't believe this is even being raised as an excuse for a pretty terrible performance.

[azabob]

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I can't believe this is even being raised as an excuse for a pretty terrible performance.

soupman, i am not making an excuse for Marra. I am asking did he crack the shits at starting in the bench and threw the toys out of the cot.

[Grantysghost]

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Marra copping a lot of stick, his first big final he looked over awed.

I'm directing my annoyance at the leaders.
Bont was insipid.

[JanLorMill]

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Marra copping a lot of stick, his first big final he looked over awed.

I'm directing my annoyance at the leaders.
Bont was insipid.

It was JUH’s second final

[soupman]

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soupman, i am not making an excuse for Marra. I am asking did he crack the shits at starting in the bench and threw the toys out of the cot.

Sorry not directed at you, but have seen it raised a couple of times including by commentators as a possible mitigating circumstance with his poor performance.

Just wanted to be clear that if that is the case, it's an indictment on him not on whoever put him there, which seems to be your pov too.

[Grantysghost]

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It was JUH’s second final

Yes he played in the Freo one.

First big MCG final was my vibe.

He was horrible but hard to be good with that few inside fifties.

[jeemak]

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Mate, then what the heck has he been doing since 2017?

His preseason was terrible this year, it can't be that bad again.

He's come from a long way back physically, and while he will never get there to the extent we need I'd much rather that not to be an excuse for him so we can hold him accountable more thoroughly.

I feel like I didn't articulate things well last night, so here's my thinking with Tim.

Now that we have secured him at what was probably the lower end of the market we don't have to mollycoddle him anymore. We now have the option of demanding he toughens up or plays twos. If he doesn't like it we can move him on for somebody who does and even pay some of his smaller salary if we need to.

Given he wasn't a certainty to sign we should understand the ruck market really well. With the bird in the hand we now hold the cards when it comes to managing our ruck position.

[bulldogtragic]

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I feel like I didn't articulate things well last night, so here's my thinking with Tim.

Now that we have secured him at what was probably the lower end of the market we don't have to mollycoddle him anymore. We now have the option of demanding he toughens up or plays twos. If he doesn't like it we can move him on for somebody who does and even pay some of his smaller salary if we need to.

Given he wasn't a certainty to sign we should understand the ruck market really well. With the bird in the hand we now hold the cards when it comes to managing our ruck position.

Tim has no real competition on the list. Darcy could be anything as a forward. So why not recruit/trade a genuine first ruck and make him fight for his spot. He’s played this season like a guy who knows he’s going to get picked no matter how well he plays it stinks it up. If he’s going to be the only mature first ruck on the list then we can expect this again. Maybe he needs some compo for his spot to find some consistency. And if he doesn’t, then we at least have another option.

[Danjul]

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Yes he played in the Freo one.

First big MCG final was my vibe.

He was horrible but hard to be good with that few inside fifties.

The entries into the 50 metre arc were among the worst I have ever seen. The ball trajectories were totally random and impossible to anticipate. Wherever the forwards led the ball went somewhere else (often to Hawks).

An interesting pair of observations: Firstly, The Dogs always kicked higher than the Hawks. Second, the Dogs kicked further. A bonus, they also were slower to kick. Add them together and you get ? that?s why Hawthorn was able to intercept so often.

So how do you help JUH get into the game? You put him where the game is. I believe his attributes make him a better winger than goal square forward with these rubbish entries. That is where Darcy should be.

[Bornadog]

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Sorry not directed at you, but have seen it raised a couple of times including by commentators as a possible mitigating circumstance with his poor performance.

Just wanted to be clear that if that is the case, it's an indictment on him not on whoever put him there, which seems to be your pov too.

Pretty sure JUH started on the bench v GWS, or another game.? To me no big deal, didn't effect the game at all.