Tim English - What Price do you pay?

[mighty_west]

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BIG DOG’S ‘IMPASSE’ ON BIG-MONEY TALKS

Ralph also reported the stall on contract talks between the Western Bulldogs and 2023 All-Australian ruckman Tim English.

“He’s at a contract impasse,” he told Midweek Tackle. “I reckon the Dogs are prepared to get to five years, (but) he wants six or seven years at a million (dollars) plus.

“I don’t think (that will happen), right now. He’s the ninth-ranked ruckman in the AFL.

“It’s time for him to have a massive 10 weeks. You know why Aaron Naughton got a massive deal? Because he got offers of 10 years elsewhere.

“This bloke, if he wants the money, (he’s) got to perform. You’re only as good as your last month, and it’s been poor.”

English, eligible for restricted free agency, has averaged 16.9 disposals, 5.8 marks, 3.6 tackles and 2.5 inside-50s — all of which are down on his All-Australian averages of last season.

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Sounds like a bit of guess work, "i reckon" means his opinion and he wants six or seven years, is it six or seven? Anyway, let's say 6 on a Million plus, i mean absolutely want to keep him but, does he influence games enough on a consistent basis to earn that big fat contract? hmmm not so sure, plus the risks with his history of concussions.

[bulldogtragic]

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Interesting to see how this plays out.

We enjoy handing out inflated contracts so I'm concerned. I'm not sure how we could possibly justify 1m for Tim on any deal, short or long term.

The highest paid ruckman, for the ninth ranked ruck this year.

Kind of our bag, baby.

[Bornadog]

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The highest paid ruckman, for the ninth ranked ruck this year.

Kind of our bag, baby.

How is the ranking determined?

He is number two for Hit outs to advantage, 1 ahead of Gawn - hitouts are nothing if you tap it to the opposition.

Number 1 with Gawn for total Marks. Needs to improve on clearances and CP, 5th for total disposals

All compared to other rucks.

[bulldogtragic]

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How is the ranking determined?

He is number two for Hit outs to advantage - hitouts are nothing if you tap it to the opposition

Don’t know how Ralphy works it out. But surely it’s more than hit outs to advantage, such as other stats he referenced about Tim’s output going backward from last year.

I’d like to keep him on a fair deal. But 6-7 years on $1M+ an is an insane demand from Tim. If someone else wants to give him that deal then we get good compo of force a trade. That’s almost ambit claim material as far as I’m concerned.

[Bornadog]

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Don’t know how Ralphy works it out. But surely it’s more than hit outs to advantage, such as other stats he referenced about Tim’s output going backward from last year.

I’d like to keep him on a fair deal. But 6-7 years on $1M+ an is an insane demand from Tim. If someone else wants to give him that deal then we get good compo of force a trade. That’s almost ambit claim material as far as I’m concerned.

Sorry, I added some more stats, you were too quick for me

6-7 - yeah, trying it on, part of negotiating. They will come up with a figure that is reasonable and suits both.

[EasternWest]

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The highest paid ruckman, for the ninth ranked ruck this year.

Kind of our bag, baby.

Remember when we could have gone after Grundy or Goldstein for next to nothing?

Insert Steve Harvey laughter/realisation meme.

[bulldogtragic]

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Sorry, I added some more stats, you were too quick for me

6-7 - yeah, trying it on, part of negotiating. They will come up with a figure that is reasonable and suits both.

If he wants to stay and we have a poor finish, he might be going. If we lose tomorrow and Hawks win then the compo tomorrow would be Pick 7. We essentially get the pick given up for Sanders, so it’s English for Sanders effectively (savings a bucket load of cash too). I can live with that if he continues to hold this line. It’s not like he’s doing a Stringer and playing out of his skin in a contract year either. After demanding to stay by only playing first ruck, I actually find the demand a smidge disappointing to be honest. But we will see I guess. But if this isn’t done in the next month or so, I’m calling him gone.

[bulldogtragic]

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Remember when we could have gone after Grundy or Goldstein for next to nothing?

Insert Steve Harvey laughter/realisation meme.

I have no mental recall of that. So you must be mistaken.

[hujsh]

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How is the ranking determined?

He is number two for Hit outs to advantage, 1 ahead of Gawn - hitouts are nothing if you tap it to the opposition.

Number 1 with Gawn for total Marks. Needs to improve on clearances and CP, 5th for total disposals

All compared to other rucks.

I checked the program to see if there were any graphics showing what ranking was used but nope. No dice

[jeemak]

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How is the ranking determined?

He is number two for Hit outs to advantage, 1 ahead of Gawn - hitouts are nothing if you tap it to the opposition.

Number 1 with Gawn for total Marks. Needs to improve on clearances and CP, 5th for total disposals

All compared to other rucks.

Yeah. Ninth mate. Clear as day.


I don't want to be offering Tim more than four to five years. No worries about $1M as that's just permission to play with the salary cap changes. The long term exposure to concussion worries me.

[Bullies]

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Yeah. Ninth mate. Clear as day.


I don't want to be offering Tim more than four to five years. No worries about $1M as that's just permission to play with the salary cap changes. The long term exposure to concussion worries me.

5 years max @ $1m per year. What a challenge for him today versus Freo and the big boys. We will see where he is at.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

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I don't want to be offering Tim more than four to five years. No worries about $1M as that's just permission to play with the salary cap changes. The long term exposure to concussion worries me.

Based on this year he is not a $1m a year guy. I think roll the dice offer around the 800k on as long as he wants. He continues to develop but is not as good as Grundy, Gawn or even Darcy or Nankerus right now.

He got lucky last year with AA selection as Hawn troweled him up against us

[G-Mo77]

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We go and pay over $1m per season then shame on us and well done to Tim and his manager. Today just shows we can money ball that position with a heavy hitting type ruckman at 1/4 of the price. Darcy has more hunger and intensity already and we still have Rory Lobb contracted. IMO it's a no brainer, trade him out and cash out.

[bulldogtragic]

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We go and pay over $1m per season then shame on us.and well done to Tim and his manager. Today just shows we can money ball that position with a heavy hitting type ruckman at 1/4 of the price. Darcy has more hunger and intensity already and we still have Rory Lobb contracted.IMO it's a no brainer, trade him out and cash out.

If he gets the cash and the years we know his new manager is John Setka…

I’ll take the compo please.��

[jeemak]

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Xerri has been in goof form, second highest rated ruck in the game the past few weeks. So English had a task on his hands today.

What disappointed me about Tim today was how he failed to commit to the body early in aerial contests. That's commitment and concentration, and while I can cop him being beaten at times in the ruck, I can't cop a guy wanting seven years at $1M plus a year not being committed or concentrating on his task.

He needs a big game against the league's best and most underutilised ruck next week.