Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

[jeemak]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

We conceded 68 points from Turnovers with 24 turnovers in the defensive half. This is not a coaching issue, this is from skill errors.

The skills on display today were pathetic to say the least. JJ 5, Jones 4, Dale 7 and Treloar 10 turnovers.

Also not getting the ball into Duryea's hands often enough hurt as well. Richards playing in defence instead of up the ground may not have helped in this area either, given his use at times today.

I think while it's difficult to tell watching on TV, we'll acknowledge not having the running and positioning of West and Weightman today may have hurt us. Bringing Ed up and having Garcia and Clarke in those roles, which are bloody tough to fulfill in the modern game without practice, wasn't enough to compensate for their absence.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Interesting from James Bartel here on Ground Ball Gets. Also Lethal makes sense as always. It was Bont's second highest rated game ever tonight.

https://x.com/FootyonNine/status/1787098498069893218

[Bornadog]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Also not getting the ball into Duryea's hands often enough hurt as well. Richards playing in defence instead of up the ground may not have helped in this area either, given his use at times today.

I think while it's difficult to tell watching on TV, we'll acknowledge not having the running and positioning of West and Weightman today may have hurt us. Bringing Ed up and having Garcia and Clarke in those roles, which are bloody tough to fulfill in the modern game without practice, wasn't enough to compensate for their absence.

Duryea had a shocker today

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Duryea had a shocker today

Yes. He had a lot of friends.

[jeemak]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Interesting from James Bartel here on Ground Ball Gets. Also Lethal makes sense as always. It was Bont's second highest rated game ever tonight.

https://x.com/FootyonNine/status/1787098498069893218

There's a poster around here who has been questioning effort (which really helps in winning the ground ball) relentlessly, and on-field leadership.

This particular poster has been kicking into Matthews quite a bit over the years so I suspect he feels a bit conflicted at the moment.

[jeemak]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Duryea had a shocker today

Get the ball into his hands, bring him into the game. I mean he looks really bad when he's playing badly, but really good at times with his use and decision making and safe when we need safety.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

First quarter. It was win the centre clearance or die.

Hawthorn was able to turn the tide in the first term due to the ball movement from their defensive half. The Hawks turned six chains from their defensive half into six forward-50 entries and converted them into 2.1 (13) - while the Dogs could not muster a single point from a defensive-half chain.

Second quarter. Again. We can't move the ball from our D50.

The Dogs' clearance domination was muted in the second term, and they were unable to raise their ball movement to make up for it. From 20 defensive-half ball movement chains, the Dogs only entered forward-50 five times - and only scored a measly 0.2 (2) from these forays forward.

The Hawks brought the game onto their terms in the second quarter, leading contested possessions by 11, tackles by six and inside-50s by four for the term. All three of their second-term goals came from intercept possessions, extending their intercept possession differential to 25 over the Dogs.

Third quarter They make us pay again for defensive half blunders and some incredible goals to make us pay.

Lloyd Meek extended his ruck dominance in the third term, leading hitouts 13-4 over Tim English; however, the Hawks could still only manage two behinds from stoppages for the term. Despite this, two goals from intercept possessions in the third term helped them to keep their slender lead.

Both those third quarter goals to the Hawks were absolute belters on the run and from range. One snap and one banana.

Fourth quarter Dominate clearances again, but can't stop the flow of intercept goals.

The Dogs will rue this loss, having dominated from stoppages throughout the match. The Dogs outscored the Hawks by 45 points from stoppages - their fourth-best total since the start of 2021, and their best in two years. However, they scored 52 points fewer than the Hawks from intercept possessions - their worst differential since Round 16, 2018 - and this proved the difference in the end.

In a battle of two diametrically opposed teams, the intercept possessions win the day, as the Hawks hold on for a seven-point upset. The Hawks outscored the Dogs by 52 points from intercept possessions - their highest differential since Round 10, 2023, and their second-highest differential since the start of 2021.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately I had commitments all afternoon and could not watch the game.

I've been reading through this thread, trying to figure out what went wrong and how we lost to the third last team.

Would it be accurate to say that turnovers in our back half was the main reason, or were we just crap across the ground?

I saw a replay of the first hit on Libba. Why on earth was he allowed to return to the field after that?

[josie]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Hi Dry Rot - I agree regarding Libba - did they not see the hit? I?m very concerned for his wellbeing. I realise now I am way more upset about that than losing the game, whether Bevo stays or goes, whether we make the 8, etc.

I digress but having watched 3/4 & start of 4th qtr of VFL game today it is scary watching our game up close - you can hear and see the hits and near hits way more vividly.

It just puts the game into perspective for me.

Back to your Q; I think it was mainly turnovers in back half (based on what Bevo & others are saying), but my gut feel says we were not running or tackling or crashing packs as hard as we should be either. Not sure what stats tell us and I haven?t read articles woofers have provided with links to articles analysing game.

[jeemak]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Great post Josie.

[azabob]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

There's a poster around here who has been questioning effort (which really helps in winning the ground ball) relentlessly, and on-field leadership.

This particular poster has been kicking into Matthews quite a bit over the years so I suspect he feels a bit conflicted at the moment.

Name names jeemak, name names.

[Bullies]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Sicily had a busted shoulder and also had an ankle that was stuffed. He told Mitchell he can't play back. He goes forward and still wins telling 1:1s which win them the game in the last quarter.

Buku was completely lost trying to defend him too.

Again and again opposition sides play through whoever is on Buku. He gets turned inside out and has no touch. He should not be learning how to defend on the AFL. He needs to learn in the AFL. We wasted a year playing him forward n the VFL last year.

[whythelongface]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately I had commitments all afternoon and could not watch the game.

I've been reading through this thread, trying to figure out what went wrong and how we lost to the third last team.

Would it be accurate to say that turnovers in our back half was the main reason, or were we just crap across the ground?

I saw a replay of the first hit on Libba. Why on earth was he allowed to return to the field after that?

Same. First game I hadn’t watched for awhile. Had son’s cricket presentation and he decided to look at the score to put me out of my misery. Thankfully the disappointment was tempered by the fact he received a couple of ‘spirit of cricket’ awards.

[Bornadog]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Name names jeemak, name names.

Pretty hard to name yourself

[azabob]

Re: Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

Pretty hard to name yourself

I think we are underestimating jeemak!!