If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

[LostDoggy]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

Maybe. Akers goals are more likely to come from inside 50these days, i don't remember the least time i saw Cooney kick a goal on the run from 50 out, not even sure he can make the distance often enough, and Grif isn't really an opportunist goal kicker, more of a play maker.

Just my opinion, I still thing Eagle has one more season.

having said that i think Cross needs to work on his kicking over the pre-season.

I'm sure it was only a couple of weeks ago that Cooney kicked one from about 55 whilst running full tilt.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

Then he's gotta try something different, get the advice of a kicking coach. He could be one of the most damaging players in the AFL if he reduced his handballs by 50% and increased the number if kicks over 40 metres by 50 %

What I would do with Cross is have him spend a couple of hours every day just doing goal kicking. He needs to add another string to his bow, and he has shown himself to be an excellent contested mark, and someone who will attack every contest hard. I think we could get some good use out of him rotating through the forward line more often - just needs to get some confidence in his ability to kick a goal.

FWIW, Cross is usually fairly good at putting a well weighted ball into space for a forward. The last few weeks he has done this on a couple of occasions and made it look good.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

I've got a bit of catching up to go but there is a bit in this thread that is total bollocks, so I'll respond to them one at a time (by no means am I saying that only the posts I'm responding to are bollocks because there are too many to reply to them all).

A start would be to draft footballers, and not athletes.

Lance Franklin and Cameron Wight are athletes.
Greg Williams and Damian Peverill are footballers.

I suggest we're better off with good players rather than only considering them because of their type.

[LostDoggy]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

I'm sure it was only a couple of weeks ago that Cooney kicked one from about 55 whilst running full tilt.

Griffen anyone?

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

After watching the crap that was served up last night I go on record and state the following

Rodney Eade - terminate his contact after the B&F
Scott West - retire with dignity.
Nahtan Eagleton - retire
Tim Callan - delist ( not up to afl level)
Scott Welsh - trade
Farren Ray - trade
Tom Williams - trade (15 games in four years)

The following players to be traded to secure a CHF and CHB
Adam Cooney
Mathew Boyd
Daniel Giansiracusa

and as Jerry stated fast track the kids instead of playing the old stagers
because we pay good money to watch them and should not settle for MEDIOCRITY

Eade - sack the coach who has led us to within half a game of our winningest season ever? If we win this week Eade will have our 2nd highest winning ratio as a coach in our history (except for those who only coached a few games that only TCD remembers).

West - in his last game, on one leg, he had 18 touches in 60% game time. If his knee is OK, he goes around again, if it's not, he doesn't.

Eagleton - I'm no Eagle fan but what would be gained by forcing him to retire? Pick up a kid with pick 78 and delist him after 2 years? He lives or dies next year on merit - if he deserves a game he plays, if he doesn't he plays VFL. Next year would probably see him out you would think.

Callan - perhaps. Worth another year and would be contracted anyway.

Welsh - you can't trade a 29 yo at his 3rd club. Besides, he's contracted and is a forward who can mark - we're not exactly snowed under by them.

Ray - maybe. Might not have a choice if he walks (he put off contract talks, not us).

Williams - has played more senior games at his age than Lake had. I'm sure he's just as frustrated as the rest of us but we're desperate for tall defenders and we finally get a good one and you want to piss him off because he got hurt?


Anyone can be traded if the deals good enough, of course, but realistically you don't trade very good players, it's just dumb.

[hujsh]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

Williams - has played more senior games at his age than Lake had. I'm sure he's just as frustrated as the rest of us but we're desperate for tall defenders and we finally get a good one and you want to piss him off because he got hurt?

Really? That's surprising

[Mantis]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

Eagleton - I'm no Eagle fan but what would be gained by forcing him to retire? Pick up a kid with pick 78 and delist him after 2 years? He lives or dies next year on merit - if he deserves a game he plays, if he doesn't he plays VFL. Next year would probably see him out you would think.

I would sleep easier at night, the bloke gives me nightmares...

Seriously he ain't going to get any better and his best is only on display once or twice every 6 games (and I might be being nice). Play Hill, O'Keefe, Ward, Stack, Wood, anyone in his role, because hopefully they may turn out to be more accomplished player's.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

The things Eade did wrong tactically he has been doing for the last 8 weeks. He started playing Minson out of the goal square. He had us trying to play through the centre corridor when it was our run and carry down the wings AND DELIVERY TO LEADING FORWARDS that was winning games, not bombing it into the goal square.
Starting Aka on Rioli on a half back flank was ridiculous. Keeping him there for half a game was utter stupidity.
Not once did he change the way we were playing and made them perservere with the centre corridor. How many time did we ignore loose players on the wing for a player under pressure in the centre?

I'm trying to get my head around this post.


You're saying we were too direct Friday night? Too many times we attacked through the corridor? It certainly looked to me like we were rooting around with the thing going backwards and sideways all night. I would have loved to have seen us use the centre of the ground.

Perhaps you mean we tried to use the centre of the ground. Well, we did, that's how we beat their cluster in Tassie. You can't handball though it, you can't kick over it, so you handball into it and then kick over it. We just didn't do it very well.

He also never once tried to combat Hawthorns tactic at centre bounces when they dragged all our backs bar one onto the edge of the square leaving a forward one out in the 50. Why not try and use that to our advantage? Have all those blokes sprint into the middle at the bounce and lock the ball in. With the extra numbers we then have you can apply more pressure on their midfield who continually kicked it straight over the heads of these players to the one on one contest. Very clever by Clarkson as it effectively cut 5 or 6 players out of our side. It might have been ugly but you are there to win a game of football.

So you want our defenders, in a contested situation, to leave their opponents alone in their half of the ground?

You don't think Clarkson would have had one or two drop off the back inside 50 on his own?

You'd want to make sure your blokes got in bloody quick and got their hands on it first. And didn't turn it over. And didn't fumble.

Of course we could have just told our defenders to stick to their opponents and then not turn the ball over. Or fumble.


Eade got outcoached but wasn't helped by his players execution of the basics.

Eade, master tactician, give me a break.

Namdarb, if Wallace pulls the pin, could you apply for his job, please.

[Sedat]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

Eagleton - I'm no Eagle fan but what would be gained by forcing him to retire? Pick up a kid with pick 78 and delist him after 2 years? He lives or dies next year on merit - if he deserves a game he plays, if he doesn't he plays VFL. Next year would probably see him out you would think.

Sockeye, if he isn't there already, Eagle is getting perilously close to list clogger territory. Think Tivendale in his last year or two at Richmond. Nobody is doubting they can play, but their best football is just a pass mark and they display this far too infrequently, not to mention they are rising 30. With two uncompromised drafts coming up, list cloggers are going to be sacrificed more so than ever. I reckon Eagle is one sub-standard game away from football oblivion.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

Eade's job is safe for one more season. Beyond that it depends on where we end up in 2009. But I have never liked Eade's "back yourself, run and carry" game plan. How many times do you see this and the player with the ball has no-one to give it to, so he gets tackled or goes backwards to get out of trouble. When Griffen goes for his runs, it looks great, but how many times has he been caught holding the ball or the final kick went to no-one in particular because his run put all the forwards out of position.

You mean Bomber Thompson's "back yourself, run and carry" game plan? Geelong take off at every opportunity, regardless of where their teammates are. Then they give it off anyway and if the bloke recieving it is in trouble, he gives it off too. They work so hard for each other there's always someone there to help. Eventually get free, if they don't they wear it and do it again next time they get the ball.

The only sure way to fail is to not take risks.

[Mantis]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

Sockeye, if he isn't there already, Eagle is getting perilously close to list clogger territory. Think Tivendale in his last year or two at Richmond. Nobody is doubting they can play, but their best football is just a pass mark and they display this far too infrequently, not to mention they are rising 30. With two uncompromised drafts coming up, list cloggers are going to be sacrificed more so than ever. I reckon Eagle is one sub-standard game away from football oblivion.

Please be this week, Please be this week..... If not definitely the week after.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

Really? That's surprising

I'm cheating a little bit because Lake was passed over in his first two eligible drafts because he had that sleep problem and no-one thought he could play. He was 20 by round 1, 2002.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

Sockeye, if he isn't there already, Eagle is getting perilously close to list clogger territory. Think Tivendale in his last year or two at Richmond. Nobody is doubting they can play, but their best football is just a pass mark and they display this far too infrequently, not to mention they are rising 30. With two uncompromised drafts coming up, list cloggers are going to be sacrificed more so than ever. I reckon Eagle is one sub-standard game away from football oblivion.

For sure.

I'd get rid of MacDougall, Lynch, Street, Wight and O'Shea (perhaps rookie if his attitudes right). Ray too if he wants to go.

That's 6. Our 7th round pick will be in the 70's, there's no point.

[LostDoggy]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

For sure.

I'd get rid of MacDougall, Lynch, Street, Wight and O'Shea (perhaps rookie if his attitudes right). Ray too if he wants to go.

That's 6. Our 7th round pick will be in the 70's, there's no point.

You keeping Skipper?

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: If we lose next week, is Eade in trouble?

You keeping Skipper?

I don't want to, but he's a better option than Street.