The search for the next captain?

[LostDoggy]

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Will Minson

[azabob]

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With Gia, what do we expect from him as a player. IMO if you go to the games its a lot harder to actually see how many hardball gets, and in and under ball he actually gets. I saw a bit more on TV this year and I was just so suprised at how hard he put himself into the contest.
I was a critic of Gia but now I am a big fan. I guess he isn't flash but he gets the hard things done.

[GVGjr]

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Quite surprised Higgins wasnt an option here GVG?

I suppose my thoughts were that he just isn't ready for next year. He is a very good option down the track but not just yet.

[GVGjr]

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Seven people have voted for Daniel Giansiracusa so far and I be interested in why you see him as the next leader of the club if the position became available at the end of the season?
I'm a fan of his and I understand that he hasn't had a great run with injuries but IMO his results on field haven't quite reached his true ability as a player yet and I'm wondering if that might hold him back?
I might be reading this wrong but I would have thought that it is very hard to ask players to dig deeper and get more out of themselves if you haven't reached or exceeded your own potential.
Obviously if he can put some injury concerns behind him he might push himself to reach his potential but he still has a way to go in that regard.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

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If jonno hangs around for two more years I think this will be a lot different.

out of this bunch IMO it will only be a 2-3 year gig.

[Mofra]

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I voted Crossy, he wouldn't be much in front of Gia on my standings.

Gia is alot tougher than people give him credit for, and his ability to dispose of the ball in heavy traffic is elite.
Crossy would challenge everyone to keep up with him on the training track, and works very hard off the ball too - the area we most need to improve on; so Crossy's appointment would make a big statement to the team.

[Happy Days]

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Seven people have voted for Daniel Giansiracusa so far and I be interested in why you see him as the next leader of the club if the position became available at the end of the season?
I'm a fan of his and I understand that he hasn't had a great run with injuries but IMO his results on field haven't quite reached his true ability as a player yet and I'm wondering if that might hold him back?
I might be reading this wrong but I would have thought that it is very hard to ask players to dig deeper and get more out of themselves if you haven't reached or exceeded your own potential.
Obviously if he can put some injury concerns behind him he might push himself to reach his potential but he still has a way to go in that regard.

I voted for Gia as I felt the general consensus coming from the club was that he is next in line, and their opinion is far more informed than mine on this matter.

If it were to go to what we, as the fans see in games, then I would have thought Cross, but as we all know thats not the only aspect to the captiancy.

[Ozza]

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Gia:
*communication skills: 5
*I/C: 5
*Marketability: 7
* Respect: 9
*Determination: 8
total: 34

*Gia to me isn't much of a talker and i couldn't see him offering anything in leadership on the field. He does try at times but he often misses crucial set shots and his tackles get broken easily. Seems like a nice guy and no doubt loves his footy. Not captain material for me.

I'm a bit staggered by your assessment of Gia.

In particular - I just wanted to highlight the communication skills section - where I disagree. As well as it being widely reported that Gia does a heap of work with the younger players - you ought to sit down close to the bench one game this year and watch Gia every time he heads to the bench and particularly early in the game when he often starts on the pine. I'm not saying this to be a smart ar$e, really - I sat behind the bench in our game v Collingwood last year and was so impressed with the way Gia was keeping the young guys like Callan Ward focused and aware of things that were happening on the field. He is also very vocal at trainings, and presumably in meetings.

As far as the marketability aspect - firstly he's a big favourite with the ladies, is good on the footy show and would be very comfortable representing the club in the media.

He's a very good candidate. Professional as they come. A western suburbs boy, much like Johnno, and loves the club as much as anyone.

[LostDoggy]

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Daniel Giansiracusa for mine.

He presents himself extremely well in the media and seems comftorable and confident when doing so.

The club seems to think he is the next best option when johnno (who gave him a great appraisal also) retires.

I agree with many in that i don't think our next captain will be captian for longer than 3 years. IMO Shaun Higgins is our next long term captain and will be groomed for it while Gia captains.

The only thing going against gia is that he spends quite a bit of time on the bench, particularly at the start of a game when the captain is required to get the team off to a good start, but im sure if he is appointed captain he will be playing much more gametime.

From all accounts he is well respected around the club, and he seems quite vocal out on the ground.

Safe choice i rekon.

[GVGjr]

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Morris:
*communication skills: 5
*I/C: 10
*Marketability: 7
* Respect: 9
*Determination: 10

*total: 41

* Only weakness is that i think he may actually be a mute. Haven't heard him speak much so can't give him high marks here.

I welcome any input from fellow posters, some of you may know better than i do in regards to certain players, or have a different opinion.

For my vote i picked Gilbs, however i haven't rated him the highest. There are some unknowns for Lindsay for me, I've heard him speak a number of times but i can't work out how he is not in the leadership group, and others who can't string 2 words together are. Perhaps there is something about him that we are not aware of.
Boyd would be my second choice. I'd really like our captain to be someone who leads by example. Throwing your body in and busting your gut even when you are getting thrashed is what captains are supposed to do.

I've actually voted for Morris and I listened to him speak the other week and I think his communications skills are good enough although granted he is nowhere near as smooth as a Robert Murphy. What appeals to me is that he seems to be a solid leader of the players and a good enough communicator with the added advantage that as a player he performs near his best just about every week.
I don't think this selection should be based on just Football ability because a lot of good captains aren't necessarily the best players. Tom Harley certainly fits that bill.

By the way, I'm a little surprised that so few people have voted on this so far.

[LostDoggy]

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It's very hard from the outside looking in to get a real read on the goings on in the locker room. IMO Dale Morris is the stand out from that list...no fuss, straight down the line guy. One that the whole list would admire and follow..would really love Johnno to get another year out of his body and be able to finish up as captain. I to was surprised Higgo was left off the list and that by 2011 he would be a perfect candidate for the job!!

[Cyberdoggie]

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I'm a bit staggered by your assessment of Gia.

In particular - I just wanted to highlight the communication skills section - where I disagree. As well as it being widely reported that Gia does a heap of work with the younger players - you ought to sit down close to the bench one game this year and watch Gia every time he heads to the bench and particularly early in the game when he often starts on the pine. I'm not saying this to be a smart ar$e, really - I sat behind the bench in our game v Collingwood last year and was so impressed with the way Gia was keeping the young guys like Callan Ward focused and aware of things that were happening on the field. He is also very vocal at trainings, and presumably in meetings.

As far as the marketability aspect - firstly he's a big favourite with the ladies, is good on the footy show and would be very comfortable representing the club in the media.

He's a very good candidate. Professional as they come. A western suburbs boy, much like Johnno, and loves the club as much as anyone.

Fair enough.

Your correct he's a big hit with the ladies, his game day suits are lovely as well.

I have no doubt he's popular amongst the group, otherwise he wouldn't get mentioned by people like Brad Johnson and Rocket all the time. I can't agree with your assesment of his performances on the footy show. I think he's just a little media shy, and doesn't really have a lot to say. That's basically what's holding him back in marketability.

But having said that our previous captain Chris Grant wasn't a big talker either and he was an excellent captain.

I kind of like the idea of a backman or gritty midfielder being a captain. You want them leading by example when the cards are against you, and being a forward you are more likely to see less of the ball when things aren't going your way.

[LostDoggy]

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Bobbie Murphy for me ... a better football brain you will never see; the man oozes quality both on and off the field

I agree.

[always right]

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I think you need to consider several things when choosing a captain.


Gia:
*communication skills: 5
*I/C: 5
*Marketability: 7
* Respect: 9
*Determination: 8
total: 34

*Gia to me isn't much of a talker and i couldn't see him offering anything in leadership on the field. He does try at times but he often misses crucial set shots and his tackles get broken easily. Seems like a nice guy and no doubt loves his footy. Not captain material for me.

I think Gia is one of the most vocal around the cluband is very instructional on the field. Wasn't he the one who put Aker in his place after the handstand?

I've pushed up for Cross for a long time but the more feedback I hear from people around the club the more apparent it is that Gia and Murph are the front runners. Crossy has improved his communication but he leads by example not words. Just don't think he fits the mould for what the club is after....but I'd love to see him get the nod. Inspirational on-field with his hard ball gets.

[The Underdog]

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I've long been a proponent of Griff getting it but I'd suggest that perhaps he'd need a real solid year on the park first. So I voted for Crossy to hold onto it for a few years. He's the classic lead by example bloke (kicking aside) who'll do all the hard things and has the respect of everyone.
I love Gia and unlike some think he's a lot harder than given credit for but I'm not sure he has enough influence on games regularly. I'd be going Cross with Griff as VC.