NAB Dogs v Dons Match Overview

[Missing Dog]

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To me, it indicates that their opponent is on top. I don't think it detracts from the game but it certainly doesn't enhance it either. When your opponent has to resort to those kind of tactics you know you've got them.

Thats interesting. You see it as an action that it is an admission that the perpetrator can't compete on the basis of skill, so has to resort to underhanded means to compete. fair enough.

Personally i think there's just too much of this sort of niggle thats showing up more and more in the game.

if a guy does it for 3 quarters is it OK if his opponent then gives him one to the point that he winds him and doubles him over? where do we draw the line? it p.issed me off when i saw mcphee do this to a youngish kid so as to clearly intimidate him

[LostDoggy]

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Thats interesting. You see it as an action that it is an admission that the perpetrator can't compete on the basis of skill, so has to resort to underhanded means to compete. fair enough.

Personally i think there's just too much of this sort of niggle thats showing up more and more in the game.

if a guy does it for 3 quarters is it OK if his opponent then gives him one to the point that he winds him and doubles him over? where do we draw the line? it p.issed me off when i saw mcphee do this to a youngish kid so as to clearly intimidate him

Mate. It was McPhee. This is a guy who has achieved very little in his AFL career and clearly has mental issues. We've seen him dance around on the outside of packs when it comes to trouble (playing for Aust V Ireland) and have the shit belted out of him by Vanderberg et al, then threaten to get revenge (line in the sand game & he never got revenge). I sat with an Essendon mate at the last game. We were in total agreeance on McPhee.

As has been said previously, it's just roughhouse tactics employed by players who know their time is up or they don't have the skill to match their opponent. In McPhees' case when the heat gets turned he rarely responds.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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Perhaps I'm getting pedantic but DD you tell me nothing other than your state of mind.

I might agree with you or I might not but I don't know because you give me nothing other than the grossest generalisations to work on.

I'm not even sure that your image works and it's pretty mixed one; smell, heaven and disasters. Sounds to me like you are unhappy, but when I ask myself excatly what is he upset about in Cam's game I have no idea. I have no way of knowing which of the passages of play I witnessed should have turned out differently and what Cam should have done about them.

Maybe I was a little melodramatic. But should we all just say "yeah, nah, yeah, boys done well, at least he's having a crack, etc etc.
Surely these sites are for people to give a little more than the drab opinions expressed by players and officials of the club. Maybe I went over the top but it's just a form of expression. like "I could have killed him".

Now Cam Wight played a shocker. Aside from the obvious miskicks and handballs, Dropped marks and such the like. He repeatedly ran to the wrong spots.
One example. He ran straight to the point where a team mate was blocking the path of a running opponent instead of corralling him by blocking his escape route to the side. (Westy was an absolute expert at this). Leaving an easy baulk and sidestep out for the opposition who should have been hemmed against the boundary.

If you want all the details of everything he did wrong, the minute mark of each quarter and the other players involved I'm afraid I don't have time for that. But plenty of other posters have backed up my assessment of his game which I have watched twice.
There's the old argument of 'he gives his all' and 'he had a bad night' but after 7, going on 8 years on the senior list I'm afraid that's not enough.
Remember Cam was drafted in 2002 so I'm not having a crack at a young kid in his first season.

Now for some positives. I was impressed with the obvious potential of Grant and also Easton Wood. And maybe I'm wrong but I reckon the young Chris Grant was even skinnier than Jarrad Grant is now.
I also loved Higgins' game. Great to see him fit and firing. There is a huge upside to what he may be able to achieve in the midfield.
It was sad to see Westy's old number on a new back but I think Higgins will do it proud. I expect Him, Griffen and Cooney to explode this year and be our big 3 midfielders like Judd, Kerr, Cousins.

I'm looking forward immensely to the year but I just don't think Cam's going to be big part of it unless he has a miraculous transformation.
Of course I hope he does.

[G-Mo77]

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As has been said previously, it's just roughhouse tactics employed by players who know their time is up or they don't have the skill to match their opponent. In McPhees' case when the heat gets turned he rarely responds.

Which is pretty much the reason I labeled him Solomon V2. Solomon has not been that good for many years now and became the "thug" at Essendon and now at Freo. McPhee is a spud, can't compete at this level any more so he acts as the pretend tough guy which so many do at AFL level because they know most players won't hit back.

I'd love his bitch ass to play at a much lower level were the camera is not there.

[Go_Dogs]

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One marking contest was right in front of me, it was Cam vs Ryder with a teammate at the back of the pack.
Cam was watching the player and not the ball and was easily outmarked, just does not have the smarts to outmark his opponent or at least bring it to ground. As you have all pointed out, he tries his guts out just does not have what it takes to be a permanent player in the AFL.

I tend to agree - although it's important to remember that Ryder is going to be a pretty special player - and is very Hill-like in the way he seemingly lazily drifts through a contest and claims the mark.

Wight was pretty disappointing. His awareness when in possession was poor, his decision making subsequently was pretty bad. He does throw his body around though, but seems to really lack the confidence to attack the ball, and seems to almost wait for the contact.

He did seem to me like he's put on a bit of size though.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Speaking of Wight, I saw him today in the Highpoint shopping centre.

He really hasn't got too much bulk. He was wearing a singlet, so there was nothing covering his arms, and yet still he looked pretty skinny. Even my mother - who doesn't really follow football - was surprised he was an AFL player and has been for 5+ years.

[Mantis]

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Speaking of Wight, I saw him today in the Highpoint shopping centre.

He really hasn't got too much bulk. He was wearing a singlet, so there was nothing covering his arms, and yet still he looked pretty skinny. Even my mother - who doesn't really follow football - was surprised he was an AFL player and has been for 5+ years.

He's been on an AFL list for 5+ years, not sure about the other part.

[alwaysadog]

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Maybe I was a little melodramatic. But should we all just say "yeah, nah, yeah, boys done well, at least he's having a crack, etc etc.
Surely these sites are for people to give a little more than the drab opinions expressed by players and officials of the club. Maybe I went over the top but it's just a form of expression. like "I could have killed him".

By the way this is not personal it's about how we try to do things here. Look I'm not against people being passionate about their football, anybody who has read my blogs knows I'm as passionate as it's possible to be about things red, white and blue... and I don't want to see poor performance excused.

It should be commented upon, but not by negative opinions that aren't backed up, with analysis and argument. The reader needs to be able to tell whether someone's just scapgoating as so often happens or if that person has it in for the player no matter what happens or if they have a valid argument to put.

If someone just wants to let off steam then it's not something that should be inflicted on all the other users of this site. There is another place where that sort of thing seems to be encouraged. Most of us once inhabited it but we got fed up with being dragged into nonsense and joined here to operate at a higher level.

Your post of which I have copied the first part is a really good example of what this site was created to encourage, classy stuff, just like the football played by your original wearer of your nom be plume.

[Desipura]

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By the way this is not personal it's about how we try to do things here. Look I'm not against people being passionate about their football, anybody who has read my blogs knows I'm as passionate as it's possible to be about things red, white and blue... and I don't want to see poor performance excused.

[B]It should be commented upon, but not by negative opinions that aren't backed up, with analysis and argument. The reader needs to be able to tell whether someone's just scapgoating as so often happens or if that person has it in for the player no matter what happens or if they have a valid argument to put.

If someone just wants to let off steam then it's not something that should be inflicted on all the other users of this site. There is another place where that sort of thing seems to be encouraged. Most of us once inhabited it but we got fed up with being dragged into nonsense and joined here to operate at a higher level.

Your post of which I have copied the first part is a really good example of what this site was created to encourage, classy stuff, just like the football played by your original wearer of your nom be plume.

Very well put, could not have said it better. Hence why I made a point of it under the captain thread.

[LostDoggy]

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I say give him a couple games this year, and if he doesnt play well enough to keep his spot, delist him at the end of the year..

With plenty of talls coming through (well Ayce Cordy) and Williams back in full flight I dont believe he can contribute enough to stay on our list...not saying I dont like him, but has had plenty of chances but I just dont think hes up to AFL standards

[LostDoggy]

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Classic case of "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane"

Sorry thats incorrect its 'looks like Jane, plays like Jane'.

[mighty_west]

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Classic case of "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane"

Patrick Wiggins thread.

[G-Mo77]

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Patrick Wiggins thread.

I don't get it?

[Scraggers]

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Classic case of "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane"

Funny !!

Sorry thats incorrect its 'looks like Jane, plays like Jane'.

Funnier !!