Game Day - Bulldogs vs Dockers

[Mantis]

Re: Game Day - Bulldogs vs Dockers

Probably not at this time but it wouldn't surprise me to see Tiller become our "swing man" in the future like Hunter of West Coast when he gets more experience. At the end of the 2007 season he was about the only shining light in our dismal forward line if my memory serves me correct.

Long term no doubt, but hopefully in the short term we will continue to develop his game in defence so that he feels very comfortable at this level.

I would also like to see Lake & Williams thrown forward at different times to continue to develop their games. (When match-up or game situation suits)

[LostDoggy]

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I've thought about this a little bit -- Williams was taken between Roughhead and Franklin in the draft. Was he earmarked as a CHB or CHF? It's just weird that as a club the Dogs have struggled for a KPF and yet having a pick between Roughhead and Franklin, two of the more dominant KPFs in the game currently, we picked a CHB? (Not knocking Williams, just wondering if he would be as dominant a KPF as either of the other two if allowed to learn the game up forward)

[Mantis]

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I've thought about this a little bit -- Williams was taken between Roughhead and Franklin in the draft. Was he earmarked as a CHB or CHF? It's just weird that as a club the Dogs have struggled for a KPF and yet having a pick between Roughhead and Franklin, two of the more dominant KPFs in the game currently, we picked a CHB? (Not knocking Williams, just wondering if he would be as dominant a KPF as either of the other two if allowed to learn the game up forward)

No he wasn't.

1. Deledio
2. Roughead
3. Griffen
4. Tambling
5. Franklin
6. Williams

[Bulldog4life]

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Long term no doubt, but hopefully in the short term we will continue to develop his game in defence so that he feels very comfortable at this level.

I would also like to see Lake & Williams thrown forward at different times to continue to develop their games. (When match-up or game situation suits)

If we could develop at least 1 or maybe 2 of the above to play well either end it certainly would be a decided advantage. Apart from Chris Grant the other past player who did this with success was Peter Foster. There probably were others but those 2 stick in my mind......apart from EJ of course!

[LostDoggy]

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No he wasn't.

1. Deledio
2. Roughead
3. Griffen
4. Tambling
5. Franklin
6. Williams

Oh yeah! Was thinking about Griff, whoops.

Richard Tambling. Seriously. So Hawthorn get Roughhead and Franklin, while Richmond took Deledio and Tambling. While the latter aren't terrible players by any means, it's pretty clear which club came out of this better. Why wouldn't you, if you were Richmond, take at least ONE key position pick out of the first five if you had two picks (like we did, I suppose, with Ryan and Tom)? Deledio and Tambling are very similar players, and good talls are so hard to find. Just terrible, terrible recruiting.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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Long term no doubt, but hopefully in the short term we will continue to develop his game in defence so that he feels very comfortable at this level.

I would also like to see Lake & Williams thrown forward at different times to continue to develop their games. (When match-up or game situation suits)

Thats an excellent plan Mantis.

Structurally I think its important they keep Tiller and Everitt in the team gaining valuable experience and confidence.

Both had interrupted elements in their preseasons but both appear to have added muscle to their frames and seem to have solid attitudes. At the moment Tiller seems to be getting more comfortable deep in defence, whilst Everitt is benefitting from being able to get up the ground a bit more.

They'll probably want to settle Williams for a bit also, but he tends to look comfortable after about 4 games. I hadn't even thought about Lake up forward but with Everitt, Morris, Hargrave, Tiller and Williams we definitely have the ability to try this when matchups suit.

[Missing Dog]

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Oh yeah! Was thinking about Griff, whoops.

Richard Tambling. Seriously. So Hawthorn get Roughhead and Franklin, while Richmond took Deledio and Tambling. While the latter aren't terrible players by any means, it's pretty clear which club came out of this better. Why wouldn't you, if you were Richmond, take at least ONE key position pick out of the first five if you had two picks (like we did, I suppose, with Ryan and Tom)? Deledio and Tambling are very similar players, and good talls are so hard to find. Just terrible, terrible recruiting.

Just had a look at it. Deledio, Tambling, Myer, Polo all picked in the top 20 that year with Pattison the only tall they picked up. What were they doing?

[Sedat]

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Richard Tambling. Seriously. So Hawthorn get Roughhead and Franklin, while Richmond took Deledio and Tambling. While the latter aren't terrible players by any means, it's pretty clear which club came out of this better. Why wouldn't you, if you were Richmond, take at least ONE key position pick out of the first five if you had two picks (like we did, I suppose, with Ryan and Tom)? Deledio and Tambling are very similar players, and good talls are so hard to find. Just terrible, terrible recruiting.

At the risk of sounding like an apologist for Richmond (I feel dirty even saying that), it's very easy to make these calls in hindsight. At the time Deledio was considered the standout #1 that year by most clubs, and Tambling was rated in the top 2-3 by the majority of clubs that season as well. Franklin has a shocking U-18 carnival and was considered a risky proposition from an attitude perspective - some clubs would not have selected him in the first 80 even if they had the chance.

As an aside, Scotty Clayton was in raptures about Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls the following year - thankfully the Tigers stepped in a couple of spots before us otherwise we might have had another failed first rounder on our list. Drafting is certainly not an exact science by any stretch.

[LostDoggy]

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At the risk of sounding like an apologist for Richmond (I feel dirty even saying that), it's very easy to make these calls in hindsight. At the time Deledio was considered the standout #1 that year by most clubs, and Tambling was rated in the top 2-3 by the majority of clubs that season as well. Franklin has a shocking U-18 carnival and was considered a risky proposition from an attitude perspective - some clubs would not have selected him in the first 80 even if they had the chance.

As an aside, Scotty Clayton was in raptures about Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls the following year - thankfully the Tigers stepped in a couple of spots before us otherwise we might have had another failed first rounder on our list. Drafting is certainly not an exact science by any stretch.

Oh, of course it isn't a science, and your recollection of events is spot on, in my book. Deledio was a shoo-in #1 pick, sure, but I'm just questioning the logic of picking two running, light-bodied types in the first five picks.. why wouldn't you at least go for a key position prospect as well? Besides Franklin there was Williams which we took.

While it's not a science by any stretch, there are better recruiters and worse recruiters, and some clubs (I'm thinking North and the Hawks in general) do it much better than others, and Richmond is clearly one of the worst at it. You would think a side that has only played finals twice in twenty years would have plenty of early picks to work with.

[hujsh]

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Callan is a different type of player to the other 3 mentioned here. Callan plays on the dangerous crumbing smalls; the Davey's, Rioli's, Farmer's and Davis'. None of the other players mentioned have the pace, positioning ability or turning circle to match it with any of these guys. Shanggy is the only other viable option but he is more suited to the Brad Johnson type of players (the Medhurst's). Fremantle didn't have any real dangerous small forwards that Callan would normally take, but North have heaps (Thomas, Campbell and even Harvey). Thats why Callan if fit should be brought into the side.

I'd imagine that Morris could do a good job on the small forwards as well. But yes Callan is our best suited for the role

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Oh, of course it isn't a science, and your recollection of events is spot on, in my book. Deledio was a shoo-in #1 pick, sure, but I'm just questioning the logic of picking two running, light-bodied types in the first five picks.. why wouldn't you at least go for a key position prospect as well? Besides Franklin there was Williams which we took.

While it's not a science by any stretch, there are better recruiters and worse recruiters, and some clubs (I'm thinking North and the Hawks in general) do it much better than others, and Richmond is clearly one of the worst at it. You would think a side that has only played finals twice in twenty years would have plenty of early picks to work with.

I heard 10 clubs rated Deledio as no. 1 and 6 clubs rated Griffen. Those that rated Griffen were us, Collingwood, both Adelaide clubs and "two other interstate clubs".

Roughead was considered a good, honest, safe, unspectacular bet and Franklin was acknowledged as extremely talented but a huge risk.

[Missing Dog]

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What if Callan isn't fit? Could we see someone like Picken or Wood debuting?

[LostDoggy]

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I heard 10 clubs rated Deledio as no. 1 and 6 clubs rated Griffen. Those that rated Griffen were us, Collingwood, both Adelaide clubs and "two other interstate clubs".

Roughead was considered a good, honest, safe, unspectacular bet and Franklin was acknowledged as extremely talented but a huge risk.

Yeah, Clayton kept saying that we would have taken Ryan at #1.

And good, honest, safe, unspectacular bets would have been very nice for the Dogs given the failed experiments we've had with early tall picks in the past. You just want nice good talls. I think we've got ourselves a beauty with our own little Roughead.

[comrade]

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What if Callan isn't fit? Could we see someone like Picken or Wood debuting?

That would give me something to write about in the Player Manager thread

[LostDoggy]

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You would think a side that has only played finals twice in twenty years would have plenty of early picks to work with.

You only get pick 8 for coming 9th